Will it be a never ending war?

3 years ago by Mr. w00t to c/memes

programmer_belch 86 points 3 years ago

I don't know how the government will be able to effectively ban E2EE and honestly I want to see them try

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Neato 59 points 3 years ago

100%? Impossible. But they can effectively ban it.

Pass a law that makes any US company, or company doing business in the US, not allowed to host E2EE-enabled apps. This now bans them from the App Store and Play Store. 99% of users won't find or choose to side-load for android users. Then they can make E2EE actually illegal to distribute in the US. They'll almost never bother going after individuals, but this effectively makes hosting a US-based website unable to distribute E2EE programs. So people will need to use foreign sites. Which the US can force ISPs to block via a whack-a-mole on individual sites.

This isn't very likely, but hell Congress was decently close to banning TikTok for no real reason so who knows?

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programmer_belch 19 points 3 years ago

It seems like the great firewall in china, really scary times for the freedom of the web

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JPAKx4 1 point 3 years ago

More like the midly warm pot, as vpns will still be legal

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aircooledJenkins 8 points 3 years ago

https://mashable.com/...

Montana's GOP didn't get the memo that it's a stupid idea.

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FrankTheHealer 6 points 3 years ago

I'm confused though. Don't banking/ finance apps require E2EE ?

Also Password Managers, VPNs? Do these apps not need E2EE by default?

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Neato 3 points 3 years ago

Oh yeah. There'd either be carve-outs or congress would just knee-jerk against encryption (like they've nearly done before) and deal with the consequences later.

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Cabrio -5 points 3 years ago

Why do Americans say carve-out, is it because illiterate TV media personalities couldn't pronounce caveat?

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MasterBlaster 2 points 3 years ago

All the government needs is copies of the keys. Encryption remains in place for everybody else, so it is ... Plausible.

All these encryption bans are specifically encryptions thee governments cannot decrypt.

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FrankTheHealer 1 point 3 years ago

Ah that males sense. Thanks for clarifying.

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darcy 45 points 3 years ago

its like banning math

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Dasnap 24 points 3 years ago

Tories are just trying to kick up as much shit as possible before they're kicked out so they can blame the next party for the fallout.

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programmer_belch 11 points 3 years ago

Seems like something politicians who have not touched a computer would try to pass

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Thisisforfun -4 points 3 years ago

You really think things will be different if you're under a different colored heel? 🤣

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redditcandoone 85 points 3 years ago

What's cloudflare done?

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odium 91 points 3 years ago

Cloudflare has human checks before you can access some sites. Some apps and screenreaders no longer work with those sites.

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DacoTaco 2 points 3 years ago

Not only apps and screenreaders. Some legit browsers too.

I have a browser that basically does not let the website know what or who it is ( user agent is a random number ) and cloudflare just flat out refuses me from viewing websites.

Fine cloudflare hosted website, keep your secrets!

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Saik0Shinigami 67 points 3 years ago

They're all uppity that to use cloudflare proxy they have to terminate the ssl connection there. So technically cloudflare can sniff all the traffic. But that's kind of the point of WAFs and Reverse Proxies.

I would argue that the sheer amount of data throughput that Cloudflare has, you'd have to really be on a list to be monitored... and they certainly cannot just log all data willy nilly.

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r00ty 32 points 3 years ago

I suppose this one is quite simple. How can they cache, if they don't MitM the connection? I don't think it would be technically possible. If you want the cache/CDN you just need to use a company you trust. If you don't trust them then you don't get the cache/CDN.

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Saik0Shinigami 3 points 3 years ago

Correct. But people are viewing the DDOS protection, Cache, WAF, etc... functions as evidence that Cloudflare is obviously malicious and storing 100% of all data traversing them.

I've seen no evidence of that yet, and will certainly discontinue use of them if they show such tendencies. Until then, I will absolutely leverage their platform for my use as a paying customer.

I do understand the fear with their free platform though... They've gotta make money somehow, and I feel there's probably a fear that is data collection.

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Reliant1087 4 points 3 years ago

I think my issue with cloudflare is not that I think they will compromise my data through their proxy to steal my passwords or go through my data, but that it seems quite likely given their ubiquity that the three letter agencies or similar have backdoor.

It's similar with say Google, i.e. I probably trust cybersecurity at Google more than at bitwarden. Unfortunately Google mines the shit out of my data (shitty but not dangerous) and will probably hand over stuff to some authoritarian government if they asked for it (physically dangerous).

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droans 2 points 3 years ago

You can also turn off all the features with a single click and Cloudflare will just be your nameserver.

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w00t 18 points 3 years ago

No high-profile cases yet, but some people are already concerned: https://crimeflare.eu.org/

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xusontha 31 points 3 years ago

Doesn't load, maybe they need Cloudflare lol (i'm joking don't send me to internet hell) Wayback doesn't seem to work with it either

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sgtlighttree 1 point 3 years ago

Don't tell me Lemmy is big enough to execute hugs of death lol

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xusontha 2 points 3 years ago

Nah from Wayback looks to have been a problem for a while for them

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qaz 9 points 3 years ago

I might be missing something but the document seems to be comparing Cloudflare to the great firewall of China and calling them criminal because of things they could potentially do?

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01189998819991197253 7 points 3 years ago

Only works on http, and just redirects to https://0xacab.org/...

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Double_A 3 points 3 years ago

It would help if that site wouldn't look like it was written by some crazy person trying to make a shitpost...

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Obsession 1 point 3 years ago

Only works on http

Maybe they should sue Cloudflare for automatic HTTPS if they don't know how to configure a webserver

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Brimos 6 points 3 years ago

Site appears to be down. What is this for?

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Larvitar 82 points 3 years ago

Guess I'll just have to touch grass.

Google, try pulling data from me being at the park when my phone gets left at home!

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starman2112 66 points 3 years ago

Facial recognition go brrr

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peopleproblems 3 points 3 years ago

I knew I kept the glasses and mustache disguise for something

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AlexWIWA 42 points 3 years ago

Amazon Ring cameras: Hello

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Brunbrun6766 5 points 3 years ago

They'll getcha through the parking lot camera, and the traffic cameras on your way there

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Loulou 31 points 3 years ago

What about a fully encrypted peer to peer web?

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numlok 31 points 3 years ago

Let's go Veilid!

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Loulou 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah I cheer on this one!

On the other hand I got a different protocol (& implementation up and running) that can be used right away. It's like IPFS but easy to "install" (a double click and a port forward is all that's needed), you are also in control of your data and of course you can change the data without changing the link.

Don't get me wrong, IPFS paved the road. But today we have better ways to do things.

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01189998819991197253 3 points 3 years ago

Which protocol ?

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Loulou 0 points 3 years ago

Tenfingers sharing protocol, working copy & info on tenfingers.org

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sexy_peach 7 points 3 years ago

Like freenet?

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CookieJarObserver 20 points 3 years ago

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hardypart 18 points 3 years ago

PiHole ftw!

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CookieJarObserver 8 points 3 years ago

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twei 13 points 3 years ago

AdGuard or NextDNS ftw!

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hardypart 11 points 3 years ago

If you're tech savvy enough to set up PiHole you can also set up a Wireguard VPN.

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CookieJarObserver 4 points 3 years ago

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Neato 2 points 3 years ago

Does something like Wireguard increase traffic? I'm thinking if it'd make problems for when you have low connectivity and bandwidth.

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theFibonacciEffect 1 point 3 years ago

You can set the DNS for your device as well

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SquishyPandaDev 3 points 3 years ago

Web DRM could in theory ban this

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CookieJarObserver 4 points 3 years ago

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ruination 5 points 3 years ago

I don't doubt that at least the EU certainly would, but will they be fast enough to prevent irreversible damage?

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Spudwart 16 points 3 years ago

It's the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

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DmMacniel 3 points 3 years ago

Good Bad guys, Bad guys and explosions; as far's the eye can see.

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PrefersAwkward 7 points 3 years ago

Great stuff but isnt this nsfw? Should we be seeing a tag?

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Wtfrud 0 points 3 years ago

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