They aren't going to let you see the unenthusiastic ones.
[Video] BBC cuts away during pro-Palestine musicians Kneecap. The followup act Bob Vylan invents a new chant on live TV
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paultimate14 45 points a year ago
CriticalMiss 4 points a year ago
If you’re forced to live in Israel you won’t be publicly voicing your opinions if they’re against the norm. One of the worst insults is “deserter” for those that did not wish to serve and “leftist” if you go against the murder of innocent people. Sadly being one or the other means problems for you down the road when trying to find a job and generally living a life here. It’s a small country, word gets around quickly and you still have to live here if you don’t have any other citizenship.
paultimate14 30 points a year ago
Your evidence supports that there are members of the IDF who are enthusiastically engaged with what they're doing. I am not debating that- i think you're right.
But it's important to remember this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven't seen interviews of IDF members objecting to what they are doing does not mean those members do not exist. I would expect the IDF to have systems in place to minimize the external visibility if any such objections, which makes a generalization like that dangerous.
njm1314 10 points a year ago
There's been multiple polls that show the vast majority of Israelis are behind the genocide of the Palestinians. To think the IDF thinks anything differently is absurd. These people arguing with you are living in a fantasy world.
Schmoo 25 points a year ago
Even if it were the case that they didn't want to be there, "just following orders" is not an acceptable excuse for committing a genocide. The morally correct thing to do if you're compelled to service in the IDF is to refuse and face the consequences, because they cannot be worse than the moral injury of being tasked with the murder of innocent children.
CriticalMiss 11 points a year ago
If I was a news agency with an agenda I wouldn’t be broadcasting the interviews that are negative either. Those you will find on foreign TV channels, 10-20 years from now after those who are currently serving finish their mandatory service and immigrate elsewhere. Every once in a while some event happens which becomes difficult to cover up. Like the Pilot Letters from 2003 and 2023, but it is the exception rather then the norm.
Cethin 7 points a year ago
Even for the ones compelled to be there who have little (not no) choice, it doesn't mean the IDF isn't a terrorist organization. Other terrorist groups use force to get soldiers, yet we don't pull our punches calling them out.
Doorbook 5 points a year ago
There are older documentaries where older IDF recount war crimes and being proud of it.. this been going since the creation of this project .. the two main forces that created the IDF are UK Registered terrorist organization.
fodor 7 points a year ago
My friend, it's really important that you get the subjects correct. We were talking about Israeli soldiers here, and even if you generalize, Israelis. We are not talking about Jewish people on the whole.
NoneOfUrBusiness 26 points a year ago
Counterpoint: The IDF isn't a terrorist organization; they're the Wehrmacht.
NoneOfUrBusiness 7 points a year ago
The Nazis started as a terrorist organization.
True, but they evolved into something more terrible than that, just like Zionist militias did in 1948. I feel that calling the IDF a terrorist organization, while catchy, is an understatement of the depth and scale of evil they're committing and have committed. They're closer to the raping, pillaging and murderous hordes of Genghis Khan.
Karyoplasma 1 point a year ago
The Wehrmacht was sworn to Hitler and to nothing else.
Maalus 10 points a year ago
The wehrmacht had tons of people forcibly drafted into it from occupied territories like Poland or Ukraine. People who often defected to the allies to fight against them later on. You are thinking of the SS.
miss_demeanour 91 points a year ago
Not all heroes wear capes.
abbadon420 6 points a year ago
"You cannot confine me!!: - his abs
maniacalmanicmania 63 points a year ago
Death, death to the IDF!
PaulBunyan 7 points a year ago
Double catchy! Catchy rhythm/rhyme and catchy message.
user224 6 points a year ago
You guys have sound? I can't unmute it in Lemmy, and directly on Imgur the unmute is grayed out.
Edit: Hmm, works on Firefox, again
Not the first time some media worked only in Firefox, but not Chrome. Embedded FLAC wouldn't play (despite it being supported), WebSDR audio wouldn't start, from the other times I recall.
Again being reminded to switch.
pineapplelover 8 points a year ago
How have you not switched already?
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SparroHawc 1 point a year ago
Very few things refuse to work on Firefox mobile. The one exception I've run across is trying to log into Google, which insists that I should use a 'compatible' browser. Like Chrome.
If I switch what user agent Firefox is reporting so that it LOOKS like I'm using Chrome, it works perfectly, surprise, surprise. I hate Google.
FordBeeblebrox 47 points a year ago
Maybe it’s because half their raps are in Gaeilge or the BBC just didn’t check, but booking Kneecap and not expecting to hear something about governments and Palestine would be like booking NWA and cutting their mics if they played Fuck the Police.
Great job riling up the crowd for Vylan’s new chant there, genius move.
lama 30 points a year ago
Lol they basically did that before. They booked Rage Against The Machine to play "Killing in the Name of" live. It has the line "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me" and they asked RATM to censor it while they played. The BBC was then somehow surprised when RATM didn't do what they told them. source
DJDarren 5 points a year ago
Thing is, afaik, the BBC has nothing to do with booking the artists. They just broadcast the sets and hold them on the iPlayer for a month after. Kneecap (and Bob Vylan) were booked by the Glastonbury organisers.
IndustryStandard 20 points a year ago
If you missed the 2000s anti war punk bands they deliver with a 2025 vibe.
FordBeeblebrox 7 points a year ago
The band they cut off also has great music and are all about giving the middle finger to the man
nfamwap 13 points a year ago
Bob Vylan are a two piece. Bobby Vylan and Bobbie Vylan are the members. Often referred to as the Bobs. They make music that references deep social injustice issues within the UK. Kind of a mix between punk and grime.
BigDiction 35 points a year ago
Brits are so fucking good at chants. Caught the quick rhythm and even the melody in just a bar.
FordBeeblebrox 13 points a year ago
Irish too. The band they cut short just before this has songs that are quite catchy and the theme is ACAB
rizzothesmall 33 points a year ago
The BBC are complicit in genocide by censoring the news in favour of Israel.
IndustryStandard 14 points a year ago
BBC nuked the footage after they got the call.
DJDarren 4 points a year ago
Someone uploaded it to WeTransfer if you've not found it elsewhere yet.
It's a great set. Big Bob spitting facts from top to bottom.
PixelPilgrim 10 points a year ago
I can agree with that message
pewgar_seemsimandroid 8 points a year ago
Cornwall flag
finitebanjo 1 point a year ago
I tried to search context on what that means but got fuck all except an excerpt on Saint Piran.
some_guy 5 points a year ago
Oh, whoops. Here you go:
https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/37661027
Edit: original: https://hexbear.net/...
IndustryStandard 12 points a year ago
Your comment might be intended for elsewhere.
But if you want to upload videos for Lemmy, catbox.moe provides free anonymous upload. Simply link to the video afterwards in your post, and it will automatically embed on lemmy as long as the link is directly to the playable video.
finitebanjo 0 points a year ago
I would be careful about anything with Hexbear on it, those fuckers are 75% bots and 25% "death to the west" extremists. They might even be using media to log IPs and de-anonymize users.
demizerone 5 points a year ago
Israel is a murder machine.
possiblylinux127 -35 points a year ago
Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit Nazi? Calling for the death of Israel seems problematic. It can easy expand target all Jewish people.
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storm 20 points a year ago
No, the actually antisemitic claim is that Israel and the IDF are representative of Judaism and/or Jewish people. They are fascist organizations and the conflation of these groups with Jewish people at large (a narrative pushed by Israel and their allies) is what endangers them
verdigris 18 points a year ago
The IDF is a military force actively engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Israel itself is a colonist state that only exists thanks to constant violence threatened and perpetrated by its military and the US. It is not in any way antisemitic to criticize these entities up to and including advocating for their dissolution. Anyone who takes this valid criticism and turns it into "Jews Bad" is either incapable of understanding the complexity of the issues here, is a bad faith actual anti-Semite looking for an excuse, or has fallen for the ubiquitous state propaganda that has been conditioning this exact response.
States and militaries are not culture. Nationalism is not identity. Fascism must be dismantled whatever form it takes.
TempermentalAnomaly 16 points a year ago
He didn't call for the death of Israel.
rozodru 12 points a year ago
so if I say "death to Nazi's" by your logic, you'd have issues with that. Saying "Death to Nazi's" could easily expand target to all Germans, All white people, or hell at this point All Americans.
see how flawed your logic is?
Scavenger_Solardaddy 9 points a year ago
🤡
reddit_sux 2 points a year ago
They are just calling for the death of the SS and SA not Germans Israeli or Jews in general. Sorry thought this was 1933.
neons -13 points a year ago
No, you're not. This is generally classified as antisemitic. But for a multitude of reasons people don't care or even see it as a good thing. Reasons including:
- Decades of being told that there's always a good side in war (there rarely is, I can only think of ukraine in this century and WW2 in - the last century),
- being propagandized into warthirsty "patriots",
- being radicalized during covid,
- getting radicalized by (a)social media
you get the idea
finitebanjo -11 points a year ago
It's definitely not a black and white issue for sure, every adult must serve in the IDF or face criminal prosecution in Israel, so saying "death to the IDF" and "death to every of age Israeli citizen" are basically the same statement.
finitebanjo 1 point a year ago
Prospects were good during PM Rabins term, the root of this problem is with corrupt people like Netanyahu. Killing every single perso on either side is not a solution.
RavingGrob 19 points a year ago
So in your mindset, there's zero point where killing is "justifiable"?
I'm legitimately asking here.
In a perfect world, people would respect boundaries, not start war, or genocides to further their own beliefs.
What do you propose people facing extinction do? Parlay?
tocopherol 14 points a year ago
I'm sure no one here wishes that anyone HAD to die. Most ethical systems throughout history have a moral justification for killing, if the death will prevent further killing of innocent people. If it's immoral to kill someone actively murdering children and about to murder more, are you saying it would be preferable to let the children be killed?
olafurp 3 points a year ago
In a hypothetical where there's a murderer with a machine gun killing children that will not be prosecuted in court then wishing them to be dead is pretty reasonable if you want the killing to stop.
Not saying killing is moral or that people don't have the right to live because they do but how else would you stop the murder if the government doesn't?
BeNotAfraid 32 points a year ago
God, you're a melt.
BeNotAfraid 26 points a year ago
UltraBlack -2 points a year ago
I stand with you brother
UltraBlack 2 points a year ago
My man loves terrorism and religious oppression
Hansae 4 points a year ago
Idk I'd suggest looking at the state of Gazas hospitals and childrens services (all done specifically by the IDF) before coming to such a bad conclusion. Shitting on the IDF is the best thing people can be doing, there has unfortunately been some genuinely anti semitic stuff mixed in with the pro Palestinian movement but this ain't it chief.
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