Android vs IOS

3 years ago by RobotDaniel to c/memes

ninjan 113 points 3 years ago

Privacy on a non-degoogled Android device is non existent. Just because only Google gets to munch on your data doesn't equal privacy.

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superkret 2 points 3 years ago
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notabot 17 points 3 years ago

I suspect the issue people have is that it is not possible for the average user to confirm that a block like that is working 100%. Seen as google control the OS they can just route their traffic around a block like that if they wish. Sending the data over 4g would mean you don't even see it on your network traffic logs. There are a number of reviews suggesting it intermittently lets aupposedly blocked traffic through too, but the biggest issue maybe the way it works. As far as I can see, it acts as a VPN, but that means it won't work well with other VPNs, which is another way the traffic can leak. Basically, installing an app like that doesn't degoogle your phone at all, it just makes you feel like you've stopped your data leaking.

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superkret 3 points 3 years ago
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notabot 7 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way to link to a filtered set of reviews on the play store, but If you go to the store, find the app, go to the reviews and filter by 1 star you'll see them. Some of them just don't understand how the app works, as you say, but there are a number that are harder to ignore. The thing ism if it is acting as a pseudo VPN, it could easily leak when the OS suspends it (for power saving, switching network modes or the like). Honestly, I haven't tested it, it doesn't do what I need (I'm on another VPN a lot of the time), and I wouldn't trust it very far myself, but if it does what you need, that's what matters.

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0oWow 4 points 3 years ago

I personally observe with my own eyes many many times where Android turns off Adguard's VPN for a split second when doing various Google things like receiving messages in Google Messages.

I haven't been able to pinpoint it but my observation is that the disconnect/reconnect happens when a connection is trying to be made (ex. RCS message incoming), and I suspect Android is dropping the VPN to make its own connection. Sounds paranoid, but I've been carefully watching it happen for a long while.

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Oisteink 4 points 3 years ago

Maybe read up on their FAQ (1)?

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superkret 3 points 3 years ago
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Oisteink -3 points 3 years ago

No sorry - if you want to claim knowledge without even checking their FAQ I’m fine with that.

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thorbot 84 points 3 years ago

This meme is brought to you by someone who has no clue what iOS can do.

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XpeeN 0 points 3 years ago

Can you elaborate?

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thorbot 1 point 3 years ago

iOS has privacy features built in. It has iCloud private relay which is essentially a VPN, and has dynamic IP and MAC addresses to limit tracking. You can also install profiles to modify your DNS however you want, just like on android without a jailbreak.

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XpeeN 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 2460858 2480024 2493167 2493845, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
RobotDaniel -5 points 3 years ago

I'm trying to that it is easier to be more private on android by setting methods such as DNS66. dns66 acts as a VPN so It can't be blocked by network providers. it is hard to setup measures to protect you privacy on ios and there are not many reliable methods in place on IOS without jailbreaking

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thorbot 5 points 3 years ago

You don’t have to jailbreak an iOS device for privacy feature like DNS profiles, limited IP and MAC address tracking, and VPN routing of traffic.

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kate 2 points 3 years ago

u can do literally the same thing with AdGuard pro or lockdown for iOS

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XpeeN 0 points 3 years ago

Ik that but I wonder what the person that comment meant. BTW, have a look at rethinkDNS (You can combine it with dnscrypt either)

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original_ish_name -7 points 3 years ago

Can iOS be bootloader unlocked? Can it be rooted?

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Oisteink 23 points 3 years ago

Probably - but not as easy as your android device. Ask the black hats if they prefer their victim on iOS or android - it should help identify the most insecure device.

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original_ish_name -7 points 3 years ago

An OS is as secure as the user. Android gives the user freedom while iOS is very locked down

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Oisteink 10 points 3 years ago

No - that would only be true if both OS are equally secure in the first place. No matter how you behave you are limited by that. So equal behaviour on each system does not yield the same result.

Freedom is not security or privacy, but sure you (or someone else) can change your dialer on android and that can’t be done on iOS.

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ultratiem 5 points 3 years ago

Technically that would make it expressly LESS secure. Is that your aim?

Regarding privacy, Apple does end to end on the vast majority of their services. Their servers are set up using a unique, physical key, that is then broken so once running, no one can get to the data.

Apps are sandboxed. Most every sensor or feature is gated behind a user setting to allow/deny.

But the most critical, Apple is a hardware company. The lions share of profits come from hardware. Google is an ad service/data manager. Probably one of the biggest reasons they dove right to amassing market share by licensing the OS to everyone outside Apple. It certainly helps their vested interests.

Trust whomever you like, but most things are true to their nature. Whether you want to believe it or not.

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original_ish_name -2 points 3 years ago

If you root a phone then you can remove alot of insecurities and also if you unlock the bootloader you can install something more secure like calyxOS

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Hovenko 2 points 3 years ago

If you root your phone you can go both ways and give your security a good night kiss. It is important what kind of phone it is as well. Android devices are a wild world where you can stop getting any updates last week. Also, being able to unlock bootoader does not mean you will get the ability to install any rom you want. Usually this only counts for more expensive devices. Otherwise you might be lucky to get a rom maintained by one guy from India who is taking care of 5 other roms.

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smileyhead -9 points 3 years ago
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Prismey 57 points 3 years ago

Privacy on graphene os

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radau 4 points 3 years ago

I'm patiently waiting for my 4th Pixel 5A RMA since they love frying motherboards outta nowhere but damn once you get grapheneos going it really is something else

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TurtleTourParty 3 points 3 years ago

It makes the stock pixel seem so bloated with all the non-removable google apps. Like why can't I remove the pixel buds app?

I never had any issues with the motherboard on my 5A, but I gave up on it after destroying the screen twice. I have a 6 now but it's annoyingly large, top heavy, and I have to keep it on LTE only mode to have decent battery life.

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Apeeksiht 1 point 3 years ago

I had similar argument in reddit today , people talk about bloat but ignore all the Google bloat, I don't want to use Google apps, there are better alternatives out there.

I'm running Paranoid Android on my mi 11x . better than stock miui though I need GM's and few Google stuffs for some peculiar apps to work.

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Oha 46 points 3 years ago

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strawberry 2 points 3 years ago

does changing ur os void ur warranty?

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raistlin 9 points 3 years ago

Ehhh, technically but its hard for them to tell if your able to switch back before turning it in. And if it doesn't boot then well... It's not going to be much of an issue then. Also it is a bit legally grey if companies can void you warrenty solely for installing a custom ROM.

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bobs_monkey 2 points 3 years ago

I know with OnePlus, they wipe your phone right out the gate when you send it in for repairs. I've had mine fixed twice and never had an issue.

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raistlin 1 point 3 years ago

Oneplus allows it in its warranty I believe

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secret301 4 points 3 years ago

It shouldn't but, ya know capitalism

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pacjo 3 points 3 years ago

Depends on the brand. Xiaomi will (in most cases) service the phone even if the bootloader was unlocked and os changed, you just need to restore it to stock state. I haven't personally tried this, but I heard multiple stories confirming this.

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superkret 2 points 3 years ago
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Ecology8622 40 points 3 years ago

IOS has DNS profiles.

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evanuggetpi 18 points 3 years ago
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bingbong 5 points 3 years ago

Saying privacy is better on Android is literally insane, I can't think of a less private OS (talking about the version installed by manufacturers). Even Windows has some catching up to do to be as invasive.

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qjkxbmwvz 10 points 3 years ago

For wifi, I was pleasantly surprised that I could set a custom DNS on iOS while still using DHCP for other settings. Can only set DNS on Android if I use manual IP (or just use Wireguard).

Edit: not true, Android can have custom DNS with DHCP, see below.

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Apeeksiht 1 point 3 years ago

Does iOS have button to disable camera and mic access all together?

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SeaJ 35 points 3 years ago

The operating system that Google created to collect your data is secure? Not unless you get rid of all the Google services.

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miss_brainfart 27 points 3 years ago

Don't confuse privacy and security. Android is a very secure system.

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LambLeeg 10 points 3 years ago

Android is AOSP, it has no Google at all. Don't confuse OEM ROMs and Android Open Source Project. As someone with GrapheneOS I can only laugh when someone calls iOS more private

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miss_brainfart 6 points 3 years ago

I don't confuse anything. All flavours of Android are secure systems, but that doesn't mean they're all private.

I definitely agree with you that Graphene is more private than iOS, which is probably more private than most OEM Android systems out there.

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LambLeeg -1 points 3 years ago
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darcy 3 points 3 years ago

true, but most think of oem roms when they hear android

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miss_brainfart 5 points 3 years ago

When I hear Android, I think of Android. And that word encompasses everything imo. That's how most people use the word in my experience.

If someone means AOSP specifically, they'll say AOSP

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LambLeeg 1 point 3 years ago

Exactly, but it's inexcusable when a tech discussion happens. You either know it, or dare to shut up (not you precisely, though). Don't be a hypocrite, only facts.

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Hovenko 1 point 3 years ago

Yes yes you are special and precious.

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MooseBoys 1 point 3 years ago

AOSP has no Google at all

…? dafuq u smoking?

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MooseBoys 4 points 3 years ago

Android is a very secure system

Except for the ridiculously powerful permissions you need to give most system-type apps in order for them to function (i.e. read and paint over all screen content) because the accessibility APIs are shit, and password manager APIs too fragmented to be useful.

Sometimes the policy of “you will use our API and you will be happy” is actually beneficial for users.

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miss_brainfart 2 points 3 years ago

It has its flaws, like any other system. But it is a lot more secure ootb than most peoples' Windows installation, for example.

Is that a low bar to clear? Yeah, I guess. But it clears it by quite a margin.

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June 33 points 3 years ago

The whiplash between posts on Lemmy is so great.

Everyone seems to hate google and how invasive they are while simultaneously simping for google’s mobile OS

This shit is so stupid.

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reverendsteveii 28 points 3 years ago

If one person believes one thing and another person believes the opposite, that doesn't mean they're hypocrites. That means there isn't a consensus. Besides, android can be better than iOS and deserving of criticism at the same time.

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VikingHippie 26 points 3 years ago

Or maybe people hate Google ruining the internet AND realise that iOS is still much worse than Android? The two things are in no way mutually exclusive unless you view the world as a tribal binary.

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miss_brainfart 9 points 3 years ago

Android can be whatever a dedicated community wants it to be, since it's open source at its AOSP core.

I love AOSP, but I hate what Google does with it. Or most other manufacturers, for that matter.

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chocobo13z 5 points 3 years ago

Chromium is open source, too, but so many projects putting all their eggs in the same basket gives Google carte blanche to push any standard they want as a new de-facto standard before the rest of us can decide on whether it's ready or needs changes or is just bad.

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Simplesyrup -9 points 3 years ago

Android is less secure then apple tbh its so bloated with Google crap

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XpeeN 5 points 3 years ago

I don't see any bloat on my lineageOS phone.

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Simplesyrup 4 points 3 years ago

Not custom os stock android

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markpaskal 33 points 3 years ago

You can't even install DNS66 from the play store because Google bans apps that block ads. This meme is way off the mark and I'm and android fanboy.

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Asudox 18 points 3 years ago

If you are a android user that thinks the only source of apps is google play store, you aren't a real android user

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Phantom3805 15 points 3 years ago

The meme didn't mention the play store, anyone actually concerned with this stuff likely also is savvy enough to install apps without the play store.

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limerod 7 points 3 years ago

You can still install it from fdroid or github. And there's an alternative called PersonalDNSFilter if you really wanted an app from the play store.

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RobotDaniel 5 points 3 years ago

You can get it off f-droid

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tr11 2 points 3 years ago
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portside 3 points 3 years ago

Do you know you can just use the private dns option if you are on Android > 9. I use nextdns too.

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tr11 1 point 3 years ago
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Nonononoki 19 points 3 years ago

Regular Android < iOS < Custom ROM

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heimchen 7 points 3 years ago

Stock android ain't to bad

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SeaTurtle1122 6 points 3 years ago

It’s almost impossible to buy a phone with plain android on it. Google’s version on the pixel is nice to use, but a privacy nightmare

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Hovenko 2 points 3 years ago

Custom rom maintained by Pakalu Papito who does not even have original device? World is not that simple.

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Apeeksiht 2 points 3 years ago

Install From Dev's who make userbuilds with actual devices. Who said to install roms from a random dev.

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Bipta 9 points 3 years ago

Button to disable all sensors? Which phone has this?

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torafugu 7 points 3 years ago

My phone has it.

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smileyhead 9 points 3 years ago

And how can we be sure it's doing what it says? It's software, on most phones you don't control software that is running above apps layer.

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db2 3 points 3 years ago

Especially if it's straight out of China. I just kicked back a fake 11 tablet that was actually 7. The OP advice is only useful if you're running a rom that you can at least audit the source of.

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aliceblossom 1 point 3 years ago

I don't know what phone they're talking about, but PinePhone disables sensors via hardware kill switches, i.e. nothing on the phone can use the sensors because they're physically not connected anymore.

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pewpew -4 points 3 years ago

Try rotating the screen or using the camera

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Bipta 4 points 3 years ago

That just proves that you can't use the sensors.

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smileyhead 1 point 3 years ago

Apps can have denied permission from the system, but the operating system can toggle it back for itself or just lie to you.

The only defence agains manufacturer is having free software OS. And the only way against third-party malware are hardware switches.

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Hovenko 1 point 3 years ago

Librem phone has physical switches to turn off shit.

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riodoro1 -1 points 3 years ago

At least i dont have to (cant) use chromium on iOs.

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Jacobp100 -3 points 3 years ago

Didn’t google only recently get the ability to block apps access to stuff like your camera, microphone, files etc? That was in iOS over a decade ago

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KazuyaDarklight 7 points 3 years ago

No, the app permissions prompts for those things have been around forever, they aren't remotely new.

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heimchen 3 points 3 years ago

Its just now possible to turn it off for all apps with one swipe and on click. Like I know WhatsApp need Microphone access for voicemail, but I can turn off the access for all apps with one click and turn it one for all apps with access when I need it

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HerraThykki -4 points 3 years ago

Pretty accurate, though google does collect a lot of data...

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