[Video] Cops not sure whether to arrest man with "Plasticine Action" shirt for supporting terrorism
10 months ago by IndustryStandard to c/maliciouscompliance
About five minutes later, the arresting officer approached him again. “He said: ‘I’ve got good news and I’ve got bad news.’ I said: ‘What’s the good news?’ He said: ‘I’m de-arresting you.’
“And I said: ‘What’s the bad news?’ He said: ‘It’s going to be really embarrassing for me.’ And then I walked free, while all the real heroes are the people that are actually getting arrested.”
The officer seems to understand his mistake at least
The poor copper lost all that time arresting a guy with Plasticine Action on his t-shirt only to have to de-arrest him when he could've been arresting an old lady with the words "Palestine Action" written down on a piece of paper for her to be prosecuted and maybe even get a jail sentence.
That mistake was making it hard for him to make his quota of arrests for that week, the poor bloke.
This is why I always imagine it'd be funny to ask a cop "so how many murders got solved this week?" whenever they're wasting time on mundane shit.
I've never had an interaction with a cop where they didn't make it unnecessarily intense.
Their job is not to solve crimes, their job is to get people convicted, the subtle difference being that they'll turn non-crimes into crimes (for example, they'll chose to legally interpret things which can go both ways as crimes which require prosecution, which is why one often sees kids criminalized for childish bullshit) and it doesn't matter if the person convicted is innocent, all that matters is that somebody got convicted (so, for example, they won't try and find exonerating evidence).
This partly explains their tendency to take an adversarial posture towards people who aren't from their group, also partly explained because that posture itself indirectly feeds back on them (people are weary of them because of how act towards the general public, which in turn makes them feel apart and suspicious hence they behave even more so) and partly because they do tend to get exposed far more than most people to the seedy side of humanity all with a judgemental mindset and an aim to see crimes, so even a lot of the stuff they see which most people think is just silly fun (say, most drunkenness), they'll see as crimes.
Police solve something like less than 2% of reported crimes.
Even a libertarian can see this is fucking stupid, imagine a restaurant that gets 2% of its orders correct and served in a timely manner.
Police do not primarily exist to solve crimes.
They primarily exist as a goon/thug class to protect property and capital, all other behaviors and effects are ancillary.
If Police wanted to actually lessen crime, they'd either attack its root causes and use significant parts of their budgets to fund affordable housing and public schools, or massively reorient toward pursuing white collar crime, which is often of such a huge financial scale that it basically directly impoverishes society at a large scale.
Pickering has made copies of the T-shirt, which he is selling through his own website to raise money for the charity Medical Aid for Palestinians. It has sold in 28 countries already.
Start a glassware company called Pal-3 Steins, sell merch for your new sale: Free Pal-3 Steins!
I reckon the T-Shirts need some artwork as well to reduce confusion. Maybe some 1980s Plasticine Claymation TV show characters like Gumby and Pokey.
Pardon my ignorance, but is wearing a shirt with the word Palestine on it and arrestable offense in England?
Palestine Action yes. An activism organization called Palestine Action was classified as a terrorist organization a few weeks ago by the UK government.
Y'all seem to have a lot going on across the pond, what with "who's a terrorist," or "is this dystopian?"
Have y'all considered electing a terrorist leader so that you instantly know the answers to those questions?
Ah, thanks for the explanation
Some people of Palestine Action threw ink on a military plane parked on some airbase which is normally used for the surveillance flights of Gaza that the UK is doing to give the data to Israel, hence they were officially classified by the Home Secretary - Yvette Cooper - as "terrorist group" via a process which has no strict well defined criteria or Judicial oversight at all.
Because of that anybody who supports them in any way (including merelly voicing their support for them or holding a written paper with the name of the group) risks a prison sentence of (if I remember it correctly) up to 10 years.
Hence in the UK wearing a t-shirt with the words "Palestine Action" in it is a terrorist offense with a prision sentense of up to 10 years: it's all pretty similar to the legislation Putin has to stop people in Russia demonstrating against the invasion of Ukraine, only I believe the prison sentences in Russia are actually lower.
(Britain isn't quite at the "hold up blank piece of paper" stage like Russia yet, but judging by the copper arresting somebody wearing a "Plasticine Action" t-shirt, the police are already thinking along similar lines - the coppers in Britain are well aware that their job is to "serve the powerful" not "serve the public")
Britain is a complete total authoritarian clown shown nowadays, though this shit is a pretty natural stage in the evolution of authoritarianism and represssion masquerading as Rule Of Law over there since around Tony Blair's time.
so weird how we've mangled the word terrorism around to mean impeding a military machine or body. maybe this is just my brain turning to worm food but I could have swore it was explicitly when you kill civilians or destroy infrastructure in order to coerce a policy change. but that alteration probably wasn't intentional or for any specific purpose.
They graffitied two planes in protest against England's support of Israel's genocide, which makes them evil dangerous terrorists!
Not that I'd support them of course, I'm no terrorist - I fully support whatever genocides my country wants to participate in please do not gulag me Kid Starver oh no he's in the hou
A yes "the terrorist organization" label to censor anything they don't agree. Don't forget they're trying to classify drug cartels/gangs as "terrorist organizations" too as excuses to invade other countries, specially in the global south.
It is now!
I'm aware. He was being harassed for something similar which was why I asked
I've got a friend trying to move from the United States to England to escape our current shit show, and I've been telling him that England tends to do what America does, just with a posh accent to give it an air of legitimacy.
I'm mainly thinking of marshmallows.
in US english posh is a synonym for british
/s (½)
That doesn't scan. Posh Spice would by association be British Spice, and everyone knows that doesn't exist
What Americans think of as a British accent is an accent that does in fact not exist. Literally no one speaks like that, it's just playing into the stereotype at this point.
But we can't make movies with genuine accents because Americans wouldn't be able to understand it.
I'm currently working out moving to Jamaica. Got a friend there to help, but he says it ain't all sunshine and cheap pot like the movies.
I'm not LGBT but I usually use that as a guideline of "is this a good place to be?"
And its not looking great.
Pick somewhere else.
Yeah, he moved into the badlands near Manchester. Ever seen the movie "The hills have eyes"? Its like that up there.
Oooh, like Hollywood?
You're both selling them short. The UK is awful in ways that the Americans can only aspire to. They are each doing their own horrible things, just trading a bit of horrible culture now and then.
The UK is awful in ways that the Americans can only aspire to
Which ones are those? I struggle to come up with something that US is doing better than the UK. The whole freedom of speech issue might be the one where at least it's not that obvious, but I would argue UK is just more upfront about it, and even though more topics are explicitly forbidden in the UK, you wouldn't be dissapeared from the streets by an unmarked van about it, so I would say it's still better.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. Both have a ton of issues. You could argue either is worse, but I don't think anyone watching would say they aren't on similar paths. The UK in particular has a lot of holdover issues from never fully reforming their government and only slowly transforming from monarchy to constitutional Republic, and still carrying all the baggage, like the house of lords for example.
Well until quite recently, the UK was quite famously blazing the trail towards isolationism by shooting themselves in the foot with Brexit. The political gong show that followed was, I'm sure, absolutely humiliating. Surveillance culture in the UK is way, way ahead of almost any other Western democracy. I admit it's harder to find things in the last few years that the UK is worse at, but examples still exist.
I think he is saying they are following the same path, just a few steps behind. So if the US is running over a cliff, the UK will probably consider that a blazed trail and head in that direction too.
So yeah, the US sped up. Doesn't mean the UK isn't trying to follow.
Modern history, maybe not, but historically, the British Empire was the worst.
Yes, sexual harassment is a crime.
Fancy arresting people for committing a crime. What an insane state of affairs we live in, next thing you'll tell me we're not allowed to murder people
It's sexual harassment you idiot
They've got better Healthcare (for now). Other than that, yeah I don't think they're doing much better. In a lot of ways they're worse. It could be argued either way which is worse, depending on your opinions on a few things.
eh, we've got pubs and chips.
oh also went back to the States last week and was appalled that a pint can cost upwards of $10 when a decade ago it was only $6 (London prices have stayed around £6-7). throw on the whole tip racketeering insanity and I'd much rather be in England.
At this point, leaving England for America is the saner choice...
I mean unless you're brown, then ICE will just lock you away if you try
And don’t forget when the US coast card kidnapped a Canadian fisherman from Canadian waters and then jailed him in the US.
Nah. It's not great here but that's like leaving the frying pan and jumping into a volcano that's actively erupting. ICE aren't just racist, they get off on hurting people and they're really not bothered who they are.
In some ways they're very progressive. They abduct and abuse everyone equally.
In some ways they’re very progressive. They abduct and abuse everyone equally.
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It’s already working. Due to the terrorism claims, each of these arrests requires a special review, and the system is being overwhelmed. Get a few more hundred or thousands of people to get an arrest for this, and the whole government scheme will have to be abandoned, because there will be no practical way for system to follow the required procedures for each case.
Fascists get pretty clever at solving that problem. They create these camps where they can just concentrate them in one place.
The British invented them in fact!!
Oooh they should come up with a clever name for them... Focus Groups? Nah that doesn't quite work.
See how that worked out for USA, when push came to shove - the law was abandoned.
Yes, and that will be an important lesson to people. Then we can move to the next step to topple the capitalists.
There isn't enough prison places in the UK. They'd have to let actual criminals out early so they can arrest a grandmother. I don't think even they are insane enough to actually do that the media would eat them alive.
Every city has had the capacity to bus a few thousand people to a holding facility since at least the 2000s
I'm giving hope by the fact that the police clearly don't know what to do with the situation. So they're not automatically arresting everyone in the street for disagreeing with them. Probably because they realise they get lynched if they tried that
Not fans of claymation, I guess.
In what other profession are you allowed to just stand there in public with a constant hand on someone?
Who is Donald Trump on Jeffrey Epstein’s island, Alex.
I take offense at the unwanted contact.
If I were to do this to someone, they would have me arrested for it in addition to restraining them. Therefore fuck these pigs. Why are they above that?
For the US it is Supreme court precedent. If they suspect you're committing a crime they can detain you while they investigate. If you give resistance to the detainment they can use force as long as it fits within their use of force policy and is reasonable with respect to the totality of circumstances. That's the simple version. The UK likely has its own version of this.
Fuck their policy and fuck their vision of 'reasonable.' All cops oughta drop fucking dead at this point considering everything we've seen.
Pal,It'sTime for Action
Oh sorry didn't see you there officer, I was just saying its time for my #sick dance 🕺 moves, is dancing a crime, officer? 😏
To be fair, the (good) British cops are by far not as likely to assault an innocent person as many others. But they do love to stop you and have a chat if even the tiniest thing stands out. I once walked around London, 15 years old, with toy handcuffs on one wrist. Cop came up to me and wanted to know the whole story, like one of those super-chatty people. Where are you from, how old, name, where are the cuffs from, why am I wearing them right now at this moment, ...
He seemed happy with the answers, and we both moved on.
Well, it's still a bother, especially when you are not free to walk away at any moment.
If the toy looked like the real thing, You are 15, an underage with handcuffs, for all he know someone was trying to keep you captive and you manage to get out or you plan to cause damage and handdcuff someone. Good for him to make sure no one actually was hurting you..
Yeah before anybody spoke I was fairly clued in that this was not America by the fact that the cops were just standing there acting chill instead of holding him on the ground and screaming at him to stop resisting arrest.
George Floyd's execution was filmed in public. As were several other murders by police. In America, the cops don't care. They will choke or shoot someone and no judge will ever let them be prosecuted for it.
Palestinian Faction is still allowed, no?
British authorities: you not only have to decide that approximations of a representation of an outlawed group are illegal, which is shaky ground at best, but you would also have to decide that open support of a group that is guilty only of vandalism of military assets is also illegal. To do so, without encroaching on the fucking Magna Carta, which y’all invented, would require an assertion that direct action on behalf of a subset of members of the group disallows the freedom of expression to support the group writ large.
UPDATE: apparently the Magna Carta had to deal with power dynamics between the crown and various lords but was symbolic in that it reduced the power of the crown in its formerly dictatorial approach.
Apparently censorship is a complex ass topic in English history and has undergone continuous stepwise changes over the centuries, in areas as diverse as theatrical plays, print media, and speakers corners in Hyde park.
Y’all still be a bunch of bitches when it comes to freedom of expression though. The country of Orwell my hairy ass.
Are you sure it's the T Shirt and not those socks they're arresting him for...?
Someone should make a TMHT shirt with "Plastron Action" on it.
I won't, 'cause I don't live in the UK.
Haha, I’d almost forgotten the government made them rename it Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, including the theme song.
Yep, and also Enter The Dragon on VHS had the nunchucks bit edited out because they thought kids would make their own out of sticks and a rope. Of course, we absolutely did that anyway.
Picture yourself in a train in a station
With Palestine porters with looking glass ties
..Palestine flags with Red Black White and Green Towering over your head
Look for the girl in Israeli custody And she’s gone..
Great Getting Beaten in Prison
It's not just the two we see - they are apparently in radio contact with additional tax fraudsters / wasters, probably of higher rank or even with a law degree.
Never let them tell they need more funds. Could defund plenty without affecting any actual service one bit.
I mean at least they are actually discussing if this is arrestable, in the USA, cops would just shoot you.
I'm sorry, I just see a bunch of people standing around.
I didn't see that. I was busy looking at his shirt because I didn't even know what it meant.
They aren't saying anything, but here's the context. The UK criminalized pro-Palestinian slogans in public a pro-Palestinian rights group called Palestine Action. They use several slogans, most notably the "Support Palestine Action" slogan. They recently arrested a bunch of people for peacefully protesting with this group.
This guy has a shirt that says "Support Plasticene Action" which, notably, does not reference Palestine at all though the words have an aesthetic similarity to the Palestine slogan. So the pigs are trying to see if they can arrest him for hate speech fucking terrorism (wow) or not.
Edit: got some important facts wrong, so corrected
This is close, but it is specifically in regards to a group called Palestinian Action, not Palestine or Palestinian people in general. The British government declared the group Palestine Action a terrorist group, and there is a preexisting law from 2000 which makes it illegal to support 'terrorist groups'.
Of course the whole thing is ridiculous (Palestinian Action has never even hurt anyone), and many people have been publicly supporting Palestinian Action in protest. Over 500 people were arrested at a protest on the 10th.
Not hate speech. Terrorism. Punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
Because Fascists don't care about truth or reason
What's going on with the guy with a plaid shirt and baseball cap?
Could be a friend or a member of the public joining to observe, get contact info, identify where the guy would be taken, coordinate jail support, etc...
Idk if that's a thing in the UK tho.
Could just as well be malicious. Can't know without further evidence.
Jus chillin'
combining words of the pleistocene and Palestine.
I'm all for saying fuck the police, but what are you talking about with quasi-military garb and why are you bashing them for wearing high-vis vests?
These look like the worst equipped cops I've ever seen. I'm from the USA and I've seen Italian Police look harder than these guys, they at least had cars and sub-machine guns. These guys have boots, handcuffs, pepper spray, a fucking belt mounted medkit, a collapsible billy club, a baseball cap, cheap-ass-commercial-laundry-uniform-contract cargo pants, a black t-shirt, and a stab vest. The pigs don't even have guns and they are wearing "please-don't-run-me-over" safety vests.
The guys on the street have the right reaction, there's obviously no threat here.
Dude, the Carabinieri are fucking SCARY. I’d rather face a US state trooper and a Canadian Mountie at the same time.
I’d definitely rather deal with Carabinieri, they’re usually just twenty-something year olds from anywhere in the country doing a little military service and that give varying degrees of a shit. Maybe not at airports and landmarks. American cops are jumpy and hyper aggressive always. You can get that from the Carabinieri but it’s half-hearted, not baked in to their identity.
Looks a bit like Brighton?
Israel would never allow us to wear that in Australia
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This guy got de-arrested
https://www.theguardian.com/...
Hopefully everyone will buy these t-shirts just to take the piss
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