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BadJojo 78 points a year ago

MFW "Enterprise" is "Old Star Trek".

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Aggravationstation 43 points a year ago

Yea it's been a long road, getting from there to here.

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mxcory 3 points a year ago

It's been a long time

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Stamets 9 points a year ago
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Hupf 4 points a year ago

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zerakith 2 points a year ago

I mean in universe it's one of the oldest.

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Swedneck 2 points a year ago

and honestly i fucking love that aspect of it, star trek but with humans still being largely relatable is such a good vibe

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zerakith 2 points a year ago

Its really stood the test of time and deserves appreciation.

A prequel that manages to be interesting without severely overstepping or ruining canon. Walking the delicate line between character driven and plot.

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lugal 33 points a year ago

I called this series "the new series" for ages. Now I know how people feel who grow up with TOS

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infinitesunrise 32 points a year ago

There's also that episode where Riker and Worf violate the Prime Directive to try and stop a gender conversion therapy.

There's also Data with the banger line "One is my name. The other is not."

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Stamets 24 points a year ago
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Bennyboybumberchums 2 points a year ago

The problem with your post is you dont understand what the actual grievance is. Woke then meant seeing something wrong, and drawing attention to it to make the world a better place. Woke now is about self serving social media clout chasing nonsense.

When was the last time Star Trek had something to say that was anything like this:

I am female. I was born that way. I have had those feelings, those longings, all of my life. It is not unnatural. I am not sick because I feel this way. I do not need to be helped. I do not need to be cured. What I need, and what all of those who are like me need, is your understanding. And your compassion. We have not injured you in any way. And yet we are scorned and attacked. And all because we are different. What we do is no different from what you do. We talk, and laugh. We complain about work. And we wonder about growing old. We talk about our families, and we worry about the future. And we cry with each other when things seem hopeless. All of the loving things that you do with each other, that is what we do. And for that, we are called misfits, and deviants, and criminals. What right do you have to punish us? What right do you have to change us? What makes you think you can dictate how people love each other?

The episode you reference, wasnt speaking to the people who agree. It was speaking to the people who dont agree. It was flipping the script and forcing them to see the issue from the other point of view. Now all we get is a couple of minutes of pro noun lectures to other characters, who by this point in the time, shouldnt give a single fuck. But instead of that, we get some dude beaming with pride at another character being forceful in their assertion to be "they/them".

And this the fundamental problem with "woke". Its a fucking buzzword, that means nothing. When we complain about Star Trek today, its not because X and Y are in the show. X and Y have always been part of the show. The difference in that Star Trek used to be about showing us who we could be, now its about showing us who we are. Instead of giving us something to think about it, its tells us what to think. Star Trek has become a battleground for the perpetually online of hollywood, who think they are getting the MAGA lot in the neck, when the reality is they dont care. So now Star Trek is nothing more than self referential slop, that tackles social justice issues in the most self serving way possible in todays standards. They make this shit, then look to social media for a pat on the back.

And whats worse, they look at the above speech written in the early 90s, and call it "problematic" because it doesnt fit the 2020s way of speaking on the issue, which is to say, like a cunt.

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Stamets 0 points a year ago
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Bennyboybumberchums 1 point a year ago

Someone has, and its dog shit when its not stealing from other Star Trek episodes, or other scifi franchises. Its fucking shameless in how copy paste its been.

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VindictiveJudge 28 points a year ago

I hate that episode. Trip got date raped in a scene where the aggressor uses pedophile tactics, like tricking someone who doesn't know better into sex by calling it a game, then the rest of the episode is spent on victim blaming and mockery.

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pjwestin 24 points a year ago

There's also a weird anti-abortion undertone where, whenever they talk about removing the fetus, they clarify that they would only do that if they could guarantee that it wouldn't harm it. It's as though someone who was tricked into sex without their consent isn't justified in seeking an abortion (not that anyone needs a justification for an abortion beyond, "I don't want to continue this pregnancy").

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sharkfucker420 25 points a year ago

Also fully automated luxury gay space communism or something

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A_norny_mousse 17 points a year ago

Hell yeah. Many kinds of trans occured. Along with androgyne races etc. And every show was the pure definition of DEI.

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sefra1 16 points a year ago

W-what? ENT isn't old Star Trek, old Star Trek is TOS, r-right?

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josefo 11 points a year ago

Old Star Trek is the one before the one that got on TV while you were a kid. I grew up with TNG, so TOS is my old one.

Another way of measurement could be "was Gene Roddenberry alive and involved when this came out?", in that case, TOS and a good chunk of TNG are the old ST.

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lugal 7 points a year ago

As someone who doesn't subscribe to great man theory, I agree on the other point that, and I paraphrase, TOS, TNG and DS9 are old trek.

Or to quote a different SciFi author:

I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:

  1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
  2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
  3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

Douglas Adams

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lime 14 points a year ago

i just watched the ds9 episode where quark gets force-femmed. as baseline misogynist as it was i was pleasantly surprised that some genuine character growth came out of it for multiple people.

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KyuubiNoKitsune 6 points a year ago

There's an TNG episode where one of the male crew members is wearing what people would consider a dress, I have a screenshot somewhere. I really liked seeing that.

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Stamets 6 points a year ago
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KyuubiNoKitsune 2 points a year ago

Interesting! Either way I thought it was cool.

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steeznson 1 point a year ago

The love affair between the doctor and the symbiote in DS9 was way ahead of it's time too. Almost progressive enough to distract from who the Ferenghi might be based on.

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Glitch 1 point a year ago

Not too woke, imo. But too many hugs circles and happy crying at the end of each episode (Disco)

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lime 6 points a year ago

disco's problem is that the overarching plot is insane. i'm all for enthusiasm and happiness but when the culmination of an entire season is "a man-baby's crying caused half the galaxy to explode" then my disbelief-suspenders are snapped back on hard enough to leave marks.

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SkaveRat 6 points a year ago

It would be an awesome plot for a local anomaly

But Galaxy wide was just "nah". Maybe if they let it be some newborn Q or something

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Stamets 1 point a year ago
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lime 1 point a year ago

well, sure. but like, the burn was this big mystery plotpoint for sooooo long and then the resolution just stupid. i watched until season four and the long arcs never resolved satisfyingly. it's a bit like lost in that way. which is a shame because the characters and their chemistry kept me watching. except michelle yeoh's character, which i never understood the point of other than to set up the section 31 movie.

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Stamets 1 point a year ago
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Stamets 2 points a year ago
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