Sup is a New Messaging App by the Creator of Pixelfed

3 years ago by Sean Tilley to c/fediverse

A brand new messaging app is coming to the Fediverse, and it's all thanks to the creator of Pixelfed.

A new messaging app is in development, and the project is described as "an open source WhatsApp for the Fediverse."

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bappity 75 points 3 years ago

something something 15 competing standards

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esty 22 points 3 years ago

unfortunately matrix sucks revolt isn’t federated and irc is outdated so

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Terevos 22 points 3 years ago

I just learned about Matrix recently. Seems like something that'd be good. What sucks about it?

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timbuck2themoon 13 points 3 years ago

Besides the main implementation synapse being slow, the new implementation dendrite is unfinished but progressing.

But technical standards aside, the hassle of managing encryption keys is too buggy and confusing IMO. That'll deter most people I feel.

I want it to be great but it just isn't there yet.

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deadsuperhero 7 points 3 years ago

I personally really like Matrix, but there are a few outstanding complaints about it. The biggest one is that the reference implementation everyone uses by default is known to be bloated and slow, and poor at scaling. Server admins have had a huge challenge of supporting a large amount of data for things like room history, which in the past required propagation to every server hosting every participant. The protocol itself has been described by some developers as overtly complex.

Some of this seems to be improving, particularly with development of a Go-based backend implementation, Dendrite.

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AngryDemonoid 0 points 3 years ago

I'm not even close to an expert, but from what I have heard, matrix collects quite a bit of metadata depending on the server you are using/federating with.

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poVoq 15 points 3 years ago

IRC is only "outdated" if you make it so by using outdated networks like libera.chat that refuse to implement the newer standards that have been available for years.

Oh and XMPP is a thing and works great.

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Lucia 10 points 3 years ago

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Hominine 5 points 3 years ago

Feels like Jabber has been around for a long time. If I'm not mistaken I remember my buddy pimping it as an AIM alternative back in the Napster/mp3 days.

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deadsuperhero 2 points 3 years ago

XMPP is fantastic, but I feel as though it suffers from half-baked clients, most of which are a decade old and look the part.

I'd really love to see a "modern" WhatsApp-like take on an XMPP messenger, but I haven't found any. Admittedly, I haven't looked in some time.

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smileyhead 6 points 3 years ago

Matrix is getting better on fast peace, we need to give it another yew years to fix biggest holes I guess.

ActivityPub based chat is going to suck much. Like basing chat on RSS or FTP, it can be done but why. Unless we're talking just about replicating Instagram-like DMs then maybeee? But I still would like to just add link to Matrix in bio instead of having chat in yet another place.

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spaduf 2 points 3 years ago

Unless we’re talking just about replicating Instagram-like DMs

I think that's exactly the niche this intends to fill. This is facebook messenger for the fediverse.

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