Should Lemmy.ca defederate from Maga Place?

a year ago by Sunshine (she/her) to c/main

load all comments
MyBrainHurts -23 points a year ago

No. Hearing and understanding opinions with which we disagree is part of being a functional adult.

If we end up having a situation where they spam with hate speech etc, that's different but just being conservative? I'd like to hear what they have to say.

John Stuart Mills put it better than I can:

He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side; if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion.

path: 0 19522723, hotness: undefined, score: -23, children: 66
RelativityRanger 13 points a year ago

Mills didn't live through fucking First and Second World War.

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance : Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies ; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most imwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force ; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument ; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself out- side the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

Popper, Karl R. The Open Society and Its Enemies: Volume 1, The Spell of Plato. Routledge, 1945

path: 0 19522723 19523186, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 9
MyBrainHurts -5 points a year ago

If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant

Allowing people to hear different opinions is not unlimited tolerance.

path: 0 19522723 19523186 19523569, hotness: undefined, score: -5, children: 8
Typhoonigator 3 points a year ago

Is that the only thing you can rebut out of all of that?

path: 0 19522723 19523186 19523569 19525231, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 7
main

@lemmy.ca

login for more options
4188
322
161

Welcome to the lemmy.ca/c/main community!

All new users on lemmy.ca are automatically subscribed to this community, so this is the place to read announcements, make suggestions, and chat about the goings-on of lemmy.ca.

For support requests specific to lemmy.ca, you can use !lemmy_ca_support@lemmy.ca.


go to feed...