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9 months ago by InternetCitizen2 to c/selfhosted

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/36410134

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/36348624

I am running grapheneos and got nc from fdroid if it matters. I also use nc on my local network only.

So I could not find logs that pointed to any specific file giving the errors. Still I took the advice that it might have to do with file names. That made me suspect it had to do with my music folder which has some foreign music, so i renamed files with a special character. So far it seems that was it. This was odd because those files have been there and synced for a while, but the message was not happening until recently. Still wanted to update in case someone else has this issue there is some resolution that might be helpful.

So I couldn't really find what are the offending filenames, but they were from the music folder. I guess I didn't mention that that was the most recent folder I set as a two way sync. I get most of my music from yt-dl and naturally wanted to have it on both my laptop and phone. I since have discovered Power Ampache 2 . It is a music player and it can just stream and download your music on your Next Cloud. So far it works well and I have no more errors regarding filenames as I no longer need the Next Cloud app to do a two way sync.

RheumatoidArthritis 14 points 9 months ago

This is the way! Slowly replace Nextcloud components with better things until you're no longer dependent on it

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Localhorst86 8 points 9 months ago

As someone who uses nextcloud exclusively for calDAV and cardDAV, what replacements are recommended?

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Cyber 11 points 9 months ago

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non_burglar 5 points 9 months ago

+1 for radicale. It just sits there and works.

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paperd 4 points 9 months ago

https://github.com/tchapi/davis uses the same library as nextcloud (and basically every other Foss calendar app) and just tries to wrap an admin interface around it.

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RheumatoidArthritis 1 point 9 months ago

I'm not the right person to ask this question as these 2 are the only reason I haven't nuked Nextcloud yet. Looked at Radicale but shared calendars look like a nightmare to set up. But in the era of LLMs, I may just have one of them set it all up and migrate it for me.

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trilobite 6 points 9 months ago

I agree. In principle Nextcloud is a great idea and project but it has a lot of issues that make maintaining a pain. I had it for over 2 years and at every update it was painfull. I gave up and moved to Syncthing+Radicale. Is there something I miss? Yes, the ability to share as Syncthing doesn't allow sharing.

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sicco 2 points 9 months ago

The trick is to wait several point releases before updating. This makes it much more stable.

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RheumatoidArthritis 1 point 9 months ago

Syncthing doesn’t allow sharing Like, between users? You can set up a shared folder with that user, although I know it's not the same.

I've recently been made aware of Copyparty, which is a web GUI for serving files, with great access control, and the main dev reported people have been running it over a Syncthing-synced directory without any issues. Has an Android app too. I don't have any need for sharing over HTTP right now, but if I did, that would be my go-to.

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trilobite 1 point 9 months ago

Documentation is impressive. I need to take a look. Thanks for sharing.

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RheumatoidArthritis 1 point 8 months ago

Copyparty is clearly labor of love, some UI choices are questionable, but the docs and the ease of setup are amazing

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LiveLM 3 points 9 months ago

What to use for Calendar and Contacts management?
Yes I know about Radicale, I'm talking desktop UI wise because fuck doing any substantial event organizing on a phone.

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RheumatoidArthritis 2 points 9 months ago

I would like to know too, that's the last reason why i still have to host that forsaken piece of software.

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Cyber 1 point 9 months ago

I use Vivaldi's built in calendar as the UI to Radicale.

Just a suggestion

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somerandomperson 2 points 9 months ago

With what?

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pipes 7 points 9 months ago

(Next)²Cloud, duh

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marius 5 points 9 months ago

The EvenFurtherCloud

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ripcord 3 points 9 months ago

CloudAfterNsxt

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Cyber 5 points 9 months ago

Depends on which functions of NC you're using.

Personally, I found thst no-one used the gallery, calendar or contacts apps in NC, so I replaced it all with radicale and syncthing.

But if you're using all the collaboration stuff, then you'll need to look into it a bit more.

For me, NC was way overkill, nightmare to maintain and an extra layer of software (ie vulnerabilities) exposed to the interwebs thst I didn't need

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RheumatoidArthritis 1 point 9 months ago

I moved to Syncthing. Some people say Seafile is good.

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brb 2 points 9 months ago

What should I use if I just want dumb file storage that is accesible from any device (linux/windows/android) remotely? I'm already self hosting a media server if that matters

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RheumatoidArthritis 1 point 9 months ago

If you don't need a web GUI, just WebDAV is a good protocol, nginx can serve files over it. SFTP is good too.

Here's a tutorial for WebDAV / Docker, it boils down to one command. No databases, performance issues, security nightmares.

https://sfuhrm.de/...

"The image is only around 5.3 MB in size and the container takes around 10 MB of memory."

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brb 1 point 9 months ago

This looks nice, thank you

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ripcord 8 points 9 months ago

I really want to like Nextcloud, but it had way way too many issues and limitations for me the last time I set it up (May, I think?)

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nfreak 2 points 9 months ago

I switched to OpenCloud a month or two ago and it's been much better overall. A bit of a pain to set up but now it's running smooth, does everything I need it to do and is much more performant than Nextcloud was for me.

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ripcord 1 point 9 months ago

Does it automate setting up and maintaining Immich?

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sicco 7 points 9 months ago

What a negative post without any proof. This issue might've even been old and not related to a recent update. The post you're quoting actually has a comment showing that this might be a bug already reported in 2023 https://github.com/nextcloud/android/issues/12137. In that sense a future update might just fix this problem. Also take a look at the changelogs of Nextcloud. They don't just contain new features, but also many fixes and improvements/rewrites of old code to make things more stable, more maintainable and faster.

If you've been updating to new major Nextcloud versions right after release: stop doing that. Wait several point releases and updating becomes really stable.

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InternetCitizen2 5 points 9 months ago

This issue might’ve even been old and not related to a recent update

The update is from me and what I am doing in my selfhosting

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sicco 2 points 9 months ago

Right! I think I misunderstood the title. With 'update' you mean that you 'bump' your old post to get new attention to it?

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InternetCitizen2 2 points 9 months ago

Pretty much. Also to bring the resolution and discussion around it. Someone might find they have the same issue in the future.

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nucleative 4 points 9 months ago

Eek, I'm moving towards nextcloud (and away from Google fast as possible). Is there a better all-in-one groupware + files + collab + office apps suite out there?

It does appear that nextcloud's devs are eyeballs deep in php tech debt, so their pace of development and integration has slowed.

It's so big that none of their FOSS components are going to be #1 on their own.

Recently upgraded the version and had to allow untested app versions (which had just disappeared) because they hadn't been updated yet. That's a weird problem and yeah, I don't really want to be beta tester everytime I try and open a document.

They also don't really have a nice docker compose based deployment yet.

But I couldn't be happier to be leaving google in the dust, so there's that.

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sicco 5 points 9 months ago

Nextcloud is great if you want one service to provide all those functionalities.

Their All-In-One (AIO) provides a rather complete docker compose https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one.

One of the biggest reasons people complain about Nextcloud is that they update to new major versions too soon. Wait for several point releases or even until another major version is released (which only take several months). This will make updating much more stable.

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k4j8 2 points 9 months ago

Nextcloud is awesome, you should definitely still use it. It's really big and has its issues when upgrading, but it's still one of—if not the—best for file sync and share.

Easy Docker solutions:

My two cents: try it yourself but don't start using their app store until you've gotten a better feel for things. They have some great app store apps, but it makes you dependent on Nextcloud.

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GraveyardOrbit -4 points 9 months ago

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k4j8 4 points 9 months ago

But compared to Google and not owning your data? It's SO much better, not that it's really a fair comparison.

Sorry your experience has been so bad. I'm using the LinuxServer.io version. I've had to run some OCC commands when upgrading and it's sometimes slow, but for me it syncs my files and does version control + sharing well.

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KyuubiNoKitsune 3 points 9 months ago

I've never used it but it always seems to me like they're trying to be an everything app.

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lka1988 4 points 9 months ago

That's kinda their schtick though. They've been that way since before they split off from Owncloud.

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RheumatoidArthritis 1 point 9 months ago

All in one? No, not really.

There are some projects which automate setup of popular FOSS programs, and add some kind of SSO or GUI to integrate them. Freedombox, Yunohost, Sandstorm.io are examples of that.

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