The Ofcom Tea Party: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence, British regulator claims “sovereign immunity” to defend itself – and sovereign powers to regulate foreign companies

a year ago by herseycokguzelolacak to c/technology

FauxLiving 30 points a year ago

If I recall, the US vehemently disagreed with the right of the British to enforce their laws here. Quite successfully, I might add.

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vacuumflower 9 points a year ago

It's not just the British, it's all "core western" nations honestly. USA most of all, it is of course funny that a British regulator tries to do that with an American company, that doesn't happen often.

They demand fulfillment of their laws regardless of jurisdiction when the other side is weaker, and ignore laws of others even if firmly inside those others' jurisdiction. And that's so normalized that nobody even thinks about it except for such funny moments.

There are honestly worse things.

All of Mediterranean border and migration matters are resolved in this way, there are "coast guard" military organizations on the African shores with their own small concentration camps for those attempting to illegally migrate to Europe (not nice, of course, but doesn't warrant such conditions) which in reality are funded by Italian and French governments and really report to them and act in their interest. I think I've read a few articles describing those.

It's not been so long since France enforced its laws on much of the African continent. Due to malicious and incompetent jerks in its top, it has lost much of that. And I hope it'll lose everything colonial, French Guyana included.

I've read just yesterday about British troops and Kenya in the context of a murder, which was pretty known in that regiment, with all the circumstance, and the perpetrator is a vet living in UK just fine with family and all, and more than 10 years after the British have formally started some kind of investigation, and it will apparently go on for a couple more decades. It's literal mockery of the victim's family, and it's normal for Europeans in such cases.

Hell, even western policy on Armenia is not a result of some rules, it's a result of one European politician with connections having their ass torn by bandits in Armenia in 2012. They are taking revenge for that. They think thousands of honorable decent men dead are worth less than one criminal's torn ass. That a whole nation with its history is worth less than that. That they have right to think and act like that.

If you want Europeans (and Americans, and Australians, and Canadians, and so on) to learn honor, you need to have that whole imperial bunch thoroughly defeated by Chinese, or by India, or by them all together, or whatever.

Otherwise it's simply unnatural for humans to know their borders. While the empire (in the British and French, not in the Roman, nor in Chinese, nor in Japanese, nor in Russian, nor even in Spanish meaning) is still alive, it will morally decay further and further.

And you know what's the funniest? Growing up in Russia I thought I'm smarter than people around me for thinking that the general sense of what I just wrote is all propaganda. LOL. Soviet and Russian propaganda softened that reality, if anything, they had and have to somehow justify dealing with those nations. Modern Russian propaganda didn't stop that too, they are just adding some delusions on the side.

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IcyToes 5 points a year ago

Yeah. The truce with the native American's was not favoured and banning slavery wasn't acceptable...

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vacuumflower 4 points a year ago

One can have segregation and cheap colored abused labor without slavery, like most of the British empire after it went out of fashion. And one can rob, abuse and genocide natives with a formal truce in place.

Those pesky colonials just didn't understand nuance.

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FelixCress -33 points a year ago

USians are surprised that they must follow the foreign law if they do business (generate income) outside of the USA.

And the guy writing this blog is a fucking utter idiot.

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borari 18 points a year ago

Im going to take a charitable read on this and just assume that you’re misunderstanding or uninformed of the context at the core of this, because nothing of what you said is really applicable.

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FelixCress -21 points a year ago

Read again than.

The fucking US idiot writing this blog is surprised that 4chan must follow UK law while having customers/users in the UK.

Which part is not applicable?

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borari 23 points a year ago

The part where they have any infrastructure, operations, revenue, or presence at all in the UK. They don’t, so the UK doesn’t have jurisdiction. This isn’t like the Apple stuff, where physical Apple products are being sold at retail in the EU/UK. UK residents are intentionally navigating to a website outside UK jurisdiction. If a UK resident goes to Mallorca on holiday, Spanish laws, not UK laws, apply because they’re in fucking Spain.

Also you should probably click that About page on the linked blog dude. Unless some American just randomly wound up at UCL in 1988 then graduated, stayed in the UK, and got a job at UCW Aberystwyth, you might want to rethink the random bullshit you’re spouting off as fact lol. By all means keep going off about how British ppl are “USians” and “US idiots” though.

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Keelhaul 2 points a year ago

I feel like I am missing something reading your comments, but it seems pretty clear to me that they do do business in the UK. They have users in the UK, to which they are providing a service (the 4chan message boards) in exchange for eyes on adverts placed on the page (from which 4chan makes money).

Just because this law is really stupid, and that 4chan does not have servers in the UK doesn't really matter. UK laws can still be enforced for individuals in the UK (which is expressly what is stated in the message from ofcom). Ofcom is not demanding that age verification is implemented for all users world wide, but for UK users. 4Chan can decide to not comply (which I think is good), but then it is not surprising that if you keep doing business in the UK (not blocking UK users/IPs) that fines (which 4chan will just ignore as they are not UK based) and possible bans on your service in the UK follow.

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FelixCress -26 points a year ago

The part where they have any infrastructure, operations, revenue, or presence at all in the UK.

Do you understand how the Internet works? You don't have to have an infrastructure in a country to be present there.

USians need to get used to following the law. Shocking, I know.

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ZILtoid1991 8 points a year ago

It's an extremely shitty and bad faith law, sorry for being the devil's advocate.

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FelixCress -4 points a year ago

It is not a great piece of legislation but the statements from 4chan are hysterical 😂

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JackbyDev 6 points a year ago

STOP! This person is seeking attention! Please do not reply and move on with your day.

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FelixCress -4 points a year ago

Found a USian.

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Amnesigenic -2 points a year ago

You are extremely wrong and will inevitably have your face rubbed in that fact when the UK fails to do anything to/about 4chan

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FelixCress -3 points a year ago

It is quite simple really - 4chan will either pay and comply or be blocked in the UK, lose all the revenue from UK traffic and be constantly on guard where their financial assets are as these will be seized if handled by UK bank.

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Amnesigenic -3 points a year ago

4chan will pay nothing, the UK has no power to seize any assets 4chan has, any revenue they lose will be negligible and temporary

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Corporal_Punishment 3 points a year ago

So are you saying the UK government doesn't have the power to block 4chan in the UK?

Interesting.

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FelixCress 1 point a year ago

You USians are funny, you really believe you are exceptional and your shitty companies are above the law.

EU and EU countries proved you wrong multiple times when they fined your big tech. This time it will be no different.

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