To the Korean Linux users: Which distro would you recommend?

a year ago by ibot to c/linux

Hey there!

My (Korean) wife's notebook, an older LG gram, does not support Windows 10 anymore and I could convince her to switch to linux.

A few years ago, she used my notebook with Linux Mint and I had to set up and configure everything to enable her to switch the Keyboard between English and Hangul. Honestly, it didn't work that great. I didn't know what I was doing, because I never used a dual layout keyboard and she felt like switching layout was somehow strange and felt weird.

I thought maybe there is a distribution, that supports that out of the box. The only south korean distro I found is HamoniKR. Does someone have experience with it?

Or can someone recommend a distro that supports multiple keyboard layouts very well?

The OS language does not need to be Korean, english is totally fine. Only the keyboard layout should be easy to switch. I mostly use Debian based distributions. Therefore it would be the easiest for me to support, but something Redhat based should also work out.

Desktop wise, something similar to Windows as the default desktop would be nice. Cinnamon should work fine (seems to be HarmoniKR's default) or KDE Plasma.

Thanks in advance for good your tipps and advices!

lens0021 18 points a year ago

​All Korean keyboards, including the one on my LG Gram (which is a Korean model), have a dedicated key for switching between English and Korean (the "한영키"). Everyone who isn't technically inclined uses this key. Using Ctrl + Space is a bad user experience.

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ibot 6 points a year ago

You're right! I just checked and it was a dedicated key to switch the layout. That makes it easier!

I think one thing that bothered my wife when she used my notebook was the keyboard shortcut to switch the language.

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lens0021 3 points a year ago

If you're okay with ibus-hangul, you can configure the keyroard shortcut for Gram.

Click "Add" and press "한/영" key on the keyboard.

ibus

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MonkderVierte 2 points a year ago

You're right!

Hello fellow AI.

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ibot 5 points a year ago

lol.

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thevoidzero 1 point a year ago

Can't you just keybind the switch to that key? I use arch and I have keyboard layout switch between three languages (one is Japanese which might have similar tech/typing style), and the program I use (ibus anthy) allows me to define my keybind.

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lens0021 1 point a year ago
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lens0021 1 point a year ago
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VintageGenious 2 points a year ago

ctrl space is very useful if you have many keyboard layouts

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lens0021 2 points a year ago

I assumed an ordinary person. My parents use the "한영키" to switch between Hangul and the alphabet. While I'm geeky enough to configure my Caps Lock key to function like that switch, most people wouldn't even imagine that functionality is configurable.

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lens0021 1 point a year ago
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Object 13 points a year ago

I don't think I've seen a single distro that ships Korean support right off the bat, except HarmoniKR. Because of the way Korean works, it's not just the keyboard layout support you need. To list the things you need to do:

  • Install Fcitx5.
  • Install Korean Fcitx5 input method. Probably named something like fcitx-hangul. Without it, Hangul keyboard will not appear in Fcitx.
  • Check what 한/영 key really does. This is necessary because depending on the hardware, it either emits Hangul key, or Right Alt. If it emits Hangul, then you can skip this. If not, make sure you remap Right Alt to Hangul, because then the key triggers Alt action every time language is swapped. Those usually steal input, so it is really annoying.
  • Add both Hangul keyboard (not Korean) and English keyboard in Fcitx5 config. Korean keyboard does not enter Korean characters. It's the Hangul keyboard that actually enters Korean characters. It probably corresponds to Korean keyboard's English input. It should look something like this.
  • Add Hangul key as Enumerate Input Method Forward option in Fcitx config under Global Options tab.

I will attach my files in ~/.config/fcitx5. These two should go under that directory, and not ~/.config/fcitx.

`~/.config/fcitx5/config`
[Hotkey]
# Trigger Input Method
TriggerKeys=
# Enumerate when press trigger key repeatedly
EnumerateWithTriggerKeys=True
# Temporally switch between first and current Input Method
AltTriggerKeys=
# Enumerate Input Method Backward
EnumerateBackwardKeys=
# Skip first input method while enumerating
EnumerateSkipFirst=False
# Enumerate Input Method Group Backward
EnumerateGroupBackwardKeys=
# Time limit in milliseconds for triggering modifier key shortcuts
ModifierOnlyKeyTimeout=250

[Hotkey/EnumerateForwardKeys]
0=Hangul

[Hotkey/EnumerateGroupForwardKeys]
0=Control+Alt+Hangul

[Hotkey/ActivateKeys]
0=Hangul_Hanja

[Hotkey/DeactivateKeys]
0=Hangul_Romaja

[Hotkey/PrevPage]
0=Up

[Hotkey/NextPage]
0=Down

[Hotkey/PrevCandidate]
0=Shift+Tab

[Hotkey/NextCandidate]
0=Tab

[Hotkey/TogglePreedit]
0=Control+Alt+P

[Behavior]
# Active By Default
ActiveByDefault=False
# Reset state on Focus In
resetStateWhenFocusIn=No
# Share Input State
ShareInputState=No
# Show preedit in application
PreeditEnabledByDefault=True
# Show Input Method Information when switch input method
ShowInputMethodInformation=True
# Show Input Method Information when changing focus
showInputMethodInformationWhenFocusIn=True
# Show compact input method information
CompactInputMethodInformation=True
# Show first input method information
ShowFirstInputMethodInformation=True
# Default page size
DefaultPageSize=5
# Override Xkb Option
OverrideXkbOption=False
# Custom Xkb Option
CustomXkbOption=
# Force Enabled Addons
EnabledAddons=
# Force Disabled Addons
DisabledAddons=
# Preload input method to be used by default
PreloadInputMethod=True
# Allow input method in the password field
AllowInputMethodForPassword=False
# Show preedit text when typing password
ShowPreeditForPassword=False
# Interval of saving user data in minutes
AutoSavePeriod=30
`~/.config/fcitx5/profile`

It contains Japanese group, you can safely delete that. I just don't know what it looks like if I delete it.

[Groups/0]
# Group Name
Name=日本語
# Layout
Default Layout=us
# Default Input Method
DefaultIM=mozc

[Groups/0/Items/0]
# Name
Name=keyboard-us
# Layout
Layout=

[Groups/0/Items/1]
# Name
Name=mozc
# Layout
Layout=

[Groups/1]
# Group Name
Name=한국어
# Layout
Default Layout=us
# Default Input Method
DefaultIM=hangul

[Groups/1/Items/0]
# Name
Name=keyboard-us
# Layout
Layout=

[Groups/1/Items/1]
# Name
Name=hangul
# Layout
Layout=

[GroupOrder]
0=한국어
1=日本語
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HelloRoot 11 points a year ago

Just a heads up, I havent looked into it for a year, but back then CJK input was completely non functional on wayland.

Ok apparently there has been progress.

https://archive.fosdem.org/...

At the beginning of this year it was working, even if a bit buggy, according to this talk. The talk also provides a good overview of all the subsystems involved.

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jinwk00 4 points a year ago

KDE Plasma on Wayland and Fcitx5 has been working beautifully for me

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Geodad 11 points a year ago
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ibot 5 points a year ago

True! Most stable system I ever used.

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Concussed 7 points a year ago
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jinwk00 7 points a year ago

ibus and KDE Plasma do NOT correlate together considering it was aimed for GTK, Mr. ChatGPT

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yoevli 6 points a year ago

Thanks ChatGPT.

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Rozauhtuno 1 point a year ago

Thank you clanker

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yersinda 5 points a year ago

Re: cinnamon: This guy has some videos on how to set up multiple keyboards and set a shortcut to change between them.

Can't speak to hamonikr.

Adding new keyboard languages https://youtu.be/jbKVfZ6M0c8?t=46s

Setting keyboard language change shortcut https://youtu.be/omdUhZ489PE?t=27s

Best of luck and remember that there's always a learning curve with these things

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ibot 1 point a year ago

Thanks! I'll check out the videos.

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sjohannes 4 points a year ago

I've tried two different setups for Hangul input.

The first combination (GNOME+X11+IBus) just worked—it was trivial to setup from the GNOME Control Center and there were no issues that I could find. Last time I tried this was around a year ago but it had been working for years before that.

The second combination (Plasma+Wayland+IBus) barely worked: I could enter characters but couldn't add space or other symbols between characters, and settings were all over the place and would randomly stop working. Last tested ten minutes ago.

I've heard people getting better results on Plasma+Wayland+Fcitx5 but it's not something I've tried.

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someacnt 2 points a year ago

Now, Mint should support the need decently enough, although it takes some setup. You can look up for language setup settings, I found that fctix works well nowadays.

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hexagonwin 2 points a year ago

안녕하세요!

i personally use slackware, nabi for xim imhangul-gtk2/3 for gtk and qimhangul-qt5 (peremen) for qt. meaning i don't have korean input for qt6 or gtk4.

ibus kinda seemed to work but had numerous glitches, same for fcitx but worse, uim made gtk2/3 programs hang. i'm honestly not sure how other korean users are doing it. i've heard good stuff about harmonikr, but not entirely sure how it's much different from debian ubuntu etc.

also ensure xkeyboard layout is korean and the Hangul key doesn't identify as Alt_R in xev, some IMs don't like it.

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ibot 1 point a year ago

Thx.

Sounds like the setup can be quite complicated. ;)

I might need to dive into that topic.

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hexagonwin 1 point a year ago

these days i'm thinking my setup is kinda weird, maybe slackware 15.0's old glibc version is causing issues or something. i recommend you try debian or ubuntu's latest version. ibus/fcitx/uim seems to be the most widely used choice. nobody seems to be using nabi or imhangul-gtk2/3..

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daggermoon 1 point a year ago

I think KDE Plasma supports just about every keyboard layout in existence. It even supports the Esperanto layout, which I have never seen before. Pick a distro with Plasma and choose the right layout during setup.

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ibot 2 points a year ago

Sure, it always does.

I'm fine choosing the best fitting distro from all these points mentioned in the post you linked.

Unfortunately the post does not cover the only question I have: Is there a distro with specially good multi Keyboard layout support.

For most people - including myself - this is never an issue, because they use only one layout. But especially people from countries with non latin alphabets really need this.

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boredsquirrel 1 point a year ago

Keyboard layout is a question of the desktop environment

All distros and environments should support the same amount of regular layouts. A difference is how you switch between them. KDE allows me to use CAPSLOCK to switch, GNOME does not allow that so I use Alt+A.

If you are talking about complex input methods like I guess korean uses, these will use a separate program. These will exist on all big distros but I never tried them.

Arch Wiki entry

This will likely exist on all distros you might encounter. They should all have a website to search for packages, which you can use before installing

For example

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PussButton -4 points a year ago

Just to be the annoying person and point it out: it's Linux. Not windows. So things will feel weird or strange, for you (and the wife) will be learning a new OS. Give it time.

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Cris_Color 5 points a year ago

I understand what you mean, but I dont think that's particularly helpful advice. He may have a limited ability to understand what she needs from her os as a dual language user, and as a non technical user she may not either in a way that's helpful to him in trying to understand the options and setup process in front of him. A less technical user may not be able to communicate how or why something isn't working the way they need, and he has no context or experience from which to infer.

From a user experience standpoint, him being the person who understands linux and is more technical but having no familiarity with her use case is really difficult user situation, should the distro not support their needs particularly well out of the box.

It seems entirely appropriate for him to be asking around on her behalf about what might best fit her use case, given he doesn't have experience with it.

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ibot 2 points a year ago

He may have a limited ability to understand what she needs from her os as a dual language user, and as a non technical user she may not either in a way that's helpful to him in trying to understand the options and setup process in front of him. A less technical user may not be able to communicate how or why something isn't working the way they need, and he has no context or experience from which to infer.

Yes, that's exactly it. I can technically set it it up somehow. But I have no feeling for how the layout switch should work well.

My wife on the other hand had problems to pinpoint what exactly make it feel unnatural when switching the layout. But as I figured out thx to another comment, many Korean keeboards have a dedicated key to switch the layout.

My wife is a typer on the keyboard. And it might happen that she needs to switch the layout multiple times within a minute. Therefore this is something that should work without issues.

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Cris_Color 1 point a year ago

I hope y'all are able to find a good solution on linux! If not it might be worth seeing if you could open some bug reports, it might help them make the experience better

I have no idea how to do that kind of thing for big multi package projects like a distro though lol 😅

Wishing yall the best, take care! ❤️

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hexagonwin 2 points a year ago

as a longtime korean linux/bsd user i can say all the available korean input IMs on X11 are half baked. so many glitches and inconsistencies. like in the middle of typing korean it suddenly switches to english and goes back normal after a few keystrokes etc

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DarkAri -5 points a year ago

Red star OS is best OS for democratic peoples Republic of Korea!

By the way your next generation is going to be 34% the size of your current one. You guys got to take some time off work.

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lens0021 1 point a year ago

What? I never heard that OS before though I am living in Korea. What are the pros of the OS? Does it have a native support for Kakao Talk?

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DarkAri 1 point a year ago

Oh it's a joke. Red star OS is a Linux distro made by the North Korean government. It's most definitely has spyware in it. Probably not as much as American companies but it does contain spyware and I think it takes a picture of your screen every so often like copilot does.

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lens0021 1 point a year ago

Mine is also a joke. KakaoTalk, the most used massenger app in South Korea does not support Linux, a Wine approch is half-broken, and a WIP reverse-engineered Typescript & Rust based open-source client is not yet fully developed and never.

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DarkAri 1 point a year ago

I would avoid using stuff that goes out of its way to not support Linux. I guess it's popular. Most things do work under Linux once you figure out how to use it. You have proton, wine, and VMs and containers if the former don't work.

I think you may have replied to the wrong person though I was the one replying about red star OS the North Korean Linux distro

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Ascend910 -5 points a year ago

Red star os/s

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kylian0087 4 points a year ago

I get this is meant as a joke. But it can come across quite insulting

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ibot 2 points a year ago

No, thx.

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