[dev] New text model is still quite bad sorry - working on it

8 months ago by perchance to c/perchance

I didn't expect it to take this long for me to get the new text model under control. It's much more intelligent in general, but the repetition and random fixations can get surprisingly bad.

Sorry about that. This is just a heads up that I'm still working on it, and it'll likely remain a bumpy ride for the next couple of months.

Thanks to those who have complained here and on reddit, especially the posts that give concrete examples of issues, and attempted workarounds, etc.

Please do keep posting any issues/discoveries, ideally with share links to give me specific examples that I can test.


Other news:

  • I'm still working on the next image gen update, and am hoping it will improve fine details, text rendering, and overall image quality. It should also be about 2x faster. If all goes well (which, from experience, it won't) I should be able to get that done in the next month or so.

  • For a long time I've been very close to shipping a multiplayer plugin and database plugin. I've actually made multiple 'ready to ship' draft plugins of both, but have been disatisfied with the design and ended up not publishing each time. Using these plugins won't trigger ads on the generator, so I need to be really careful about the overall architecture to ensure the the servers for them are dirt-cheap to run. I also want to make them fun/simple to use of course. Once I get text and images stable, I'm going to focus on these two plugins and finally get them done.

VisualNotes 7 points 5 months ago

I pray that this is only temporary, because for weeks now the image quality has been extremely poor, making the results unusable. Despite careful prompts and using the “Professional Photo” mode, human bodies are only rendered as 1950s pin-ups with uniform brown-beige plastic skin, and the faces all look the same, like sticker doll masks. Damn, it used to be so good and it was so interesting to create individual, distinctive human characters! I really hope that at least the previous quality will be restored! Thank you for your work!

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Basti0n 7 points 8 months ago

Thanks for the update and for your work, Dev! Also, can you enlighten us about the context text window? Should we expect any developments, or is it a long shot?

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Lucalis 6 points 4 months ago

Hello, with all due respect, AI Story Generator is totally terrible right now.

Right now the model is straight up nonsense, ingoring the whole plotline, outputting texts that has just no correlation to the previous ones, jumping scenes without being told to, or refusing to change a scene and follow the new one, etc. It ignores already existing context and details, also makes characters know things they very clearly should not. A few months ago it worked relatively fine, even with the new AI being sometwhat bad at storytelling, now it's plainly dumb, ignoring the user, and even totally senseless.

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AnimeGamingFan93 6 points 4 months ago

We know, I hope this text model is fixed, I cannot stand the new model, this was a bad idea from the beginning

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AnimeGamingFan93 1 point 4 months ago
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TURBOOO 6 points a month ago

Perchance images now look very different and low brightness. Why is Perchance update quality always in negative ??

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Utahcafe 2 points a month ago

I facing same issue in the last 48 hrs

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Randomize 5 points 8 months ago

Thanks dev! There are actually two questions many of us have,

  1. The already mentioned context window (this was the one thing we hoped most for) and
  2. Which model did you choose (so we can look for workarounds easier)?

Thanks for all your hard work! I really noticed the text gen getting better little by little. Besides the hyperfixations and repetitions you mentioned there is also the on-off problem of following the prompt and writing instructions, other than this I've noticed only minor quirks (ignorable for me as the other problems are more important).

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hollowaykeanho 5 points 8 months ago

Thanks for making a wonderful facility for us. FYI, T2I is really awesome on Perchance. Keep up the great work!

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TURBOOO 5 points a month ago

So much 'technical difficulties' for a week now. Everything is so slow now. Please fix!

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Possuminaskirt 4 points 8 months ago

Hi Dev!! Personally I think the new text model is a HUGE improvement over the old one. The story maker has gotten worlds better! If you think it can be improved that's AWESOME! I look forward to that. Don't beat yourself up or take anyone's negativity too seriously, you're making a really cool resource for free and that's really cool.

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superuser9 4 points 8 months ago

What is multiplayer plugin and database plugin actually?

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ccufcc 3 points 8 months ago

Multiple players - realtime database, like a game server, can counts score, render map, etc

Database - just like gallery

They are just like comment plugin or gallery plugin but more versatile, you can use them to vote, play game, create forum, IDK all the above is my guess.

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tr3v0r07 3 points 8 months ago

This is just a guess but multiplayer would allow multiple users in the AI Character chat or other generators, the database plug in would allow the generator database to be stored elsewhere, rather than your browser local storage.

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superuser9 2 points 8 months ago

Nice

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Alllo 2 points 8 months ago

i choose elf sorcerer. you choose orc ninja. we enter room and there r 10 badguys. i shoot lazerbeam. what do you do?

hence multiplayer. It is the thing currently lacking with ai games. personally, i tried making games and asked ai to build some cool stuff from management games to rpgs, strategy, and racing games. but eventually i stopped because there's only so much fun they can be since they all were singleplayer. They become just simulations one person can do until bored.

Multiplayer allows competition, socialness, and infinite playability. I think it will be difficult to incorporate multiplayer plugins in a nonhackable way, since sufficiently knowledgeable ppl can often just open up teh console and run custom scripts. Thats the problem i had when i tried to make a leaderboard plugin functional on perchance. But, if Perchance has a good solution, Multiplayer functionality essentially 'opens up' the next era of Perchance Games; especially if the ai understands how to incorporate the multiplayer plugin as it currently does with ai image plugin. Tbh tho im not sure unhackability is possible since the solution i know of is to have 'the brains' of the game be on a server that players can query and interact with but cant directly manipulate. So we may or may not have to settle for hackable games. i do not know.

I have not checked teh ai coder ai recently, but if Perchance makes a legit multiplayer plugin, ai code assist understands it, and ai code assist is top tier updated, imo Perchance will be one of the coolest creative spaces on teh internet for people, including those with no code experience at all, to make browser games.

Even just a game where each player can have a car, choose a crew, and then the page simulates a race, would instantly become one of the most fun pages on perchance. Especially with database storage so progress is keepable instead of wiped. Idk exactly how it would work yet because each page would need the option of basically being it's own little server. It's definitely possible tho, since each page is part of a bigger server ecosystem already.

anyway, those just some thoughts. im curious to see where it goes as much as teh rest of u

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superuser9 3 points 8 months ago

Arigatou sensei

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TURBOOO 4 points 4 months ago

Why perchance developer is lying?? Fine detail and overall image quality didn't improve but it only became worse. And it's clearly not 2x faster only slightly faster. Text rendering may be better that is all. So now ai chat is very broken and ai image is very worse. Perchance's update quality is in negative. 👎

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hamsterneo -4 points 4 months ago

to EVERYONE: perchance isn't lying.now image quality fixed very well. but something habit of prompt changed. if you tired of CARTOONS, try copy these to your image prompt and put at the front :

“photorealistic, realistic,realistic person,realistic style.real photo,realistic photo,real person, photorealistic,hyperrealistic,real human portrait, candid photography,ultra-detailed skin texture,documentary style,natural body proportions, natural lighting.

then NO MORE CARTOONS. you are welcome.

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TURBOOO 3 points 4 months ago

image quality fixed how?? are you wearing blindfold??

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hamsterneo -3 points 4 months ago

already told you how,are you blind.haha

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agracier 1 point 4 months ago

Tnx for the prompt. I've tried a few dozen renders and your 'prefix' does help a bit. I'll try many more times with some permutations and such and see how it works. But still, it's tricky and not really the same with some cartoonish elements showing through, like too much contrast on skin tones accentuating the muscles and such. And I used perchance for more academic artistic painting styles, not really for photos. Maybe I'll get those back with some experimenting, but I bet not entirely if the underlying Stable Diffusion is no longer used.

But in any case, tnx for the tip. I appreciate it.

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strawberryraven 4 points 8 months ago

Thank you so much for the update and for all your hard work! I'm grateful to know that you are reading user feedback.

By and large, I've been really happy with the new text gen. When it works well, it works really, really well. There have been a few times that it was working amazingly and I was really impressed by the quality -- times where it took a really complex scenario and performed beautifully, picked up on foreshadowing, did a great job at portraying nuanced characters and writing realistic in-character dialogue, etc. with minimal corrections needed.

I also already find it a huge improvement from the old model in almost every single way, outside of times the model starts severely and repeatedly hallucinating. More than anything else, I'm so, so glad that it isn't afraid of dark themes like the old model was. I love that if I give a character a dark backstory, it will sometimes add to and embellish it, and will also bring those details up when relevant of its own accord (without me having to repeatedly instruct and nag it to do so). So I've been really happy with the update!

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bouncyjennifer 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, this has definitely been my experience, too. As a story generator it works really well for me.

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okloolikese 4 points 8 months ago

Lo, the Savior hath spoken... Thank you savior. Can't for the improved text to image gen.

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Justyourlocalquixote 4 points 8 months ago

Do take your time with it, but i personally preferred the old ai somehow..? It just seemed..much better at following instructions fully without trying to hallucinate things? But the more intelligent part is definitely better, still would've been cool if there was an option to use the old ai (⁠〒⁠﹏⁠〒⁠)

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Justyourlocalquixote 2 points 8 months ago

Okay this is starting to be miserable, when my bots that worked perfectly months ago now can't write more than 2 sentences or follow instructions it's..not worth the smarter ai imo, especially if even if the old ai was "more dumb" it could actually write a lot more and also follow instructions (⁠༎ຶ⁠ ⁠෴⁠ ⁠༎ຶ⁠) (not really saying it's bad or anything just needed to vent\rant)

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MeowerMisfit817 4 points 7 months ago

Can we get an option to switch between the new and the old model?

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DBaluchi 3 points 2 months ago

It's like at 11:30AM, someone just flipped a switch... deny all other users. Was working fine, then BAM, "anti-bot blah blah blah" and nothing loads. Is it unregulated testing being done in the live environment, or is it intentional ?!?

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NutToThePipes 3 points 8 months ago

Good good.

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asector 3 points 8 months ago

That's fantastic news. There's moments perch really shines and you can see some fantastic quality and to have that all the time would be heaven.

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Watermelon619 3 points 8 months ago

glad to know! need more Dev posts been a while

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ccufcc 3 points 8 months ago

Salute o7

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aidude 3 points 6 months ago

Perchance is so cool, thank you for your work

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port602 3 points 25 days ago

still waiting on the text gens to finish syncing up of my old stories and the rpgs. image mdels are a little out of sync and try to MERGE characters with background, I prompted that NOT to happen but it did anyways and the video...are they still on the back burner?

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port602 0 points 25 days ago

any updates guys...

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Utahcafe 3 points a month ago

Lately yhe images generated are very poor . All my seed are not able to keep the same face or scenario

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NitrousOxide 3 points 8 months ago

Take your time. As an old FORTRAN coder, I know too well the headaches. You'll get it right. Only gripe I have is that sometimes it bogs down to nothing. Like yesterday, it was doing fine, but today, I think it's protesting the cold, because it takes almost three minutes to generate one paragraph. You got this.

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Basti0n 3 points 2 months ago

The model has been performing really poorly for the past month and a half.

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AnimeGamingFan93 3 points 4 months ago

Dear Dev, if you are reading this, I cannot continue my stories until I see a major improvement on the text model that happend to me and majority of us users back in September of last year, I have been using Perchance for nearly two years now, I am not being mean, I am just trying to be nice, I cannot stand the aggressiveness of the characters. Thank you.

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Lucalis 4 points 4 months ago

Hard agree, text model for AI Story Generator is totally terrible.

I have stories from years, and right now it's just straight up nonsense, even ingoring the whole plotline or outputting texts that has just no correlation to the previous ones. It jumps scenes without being told to, or totally refuses to change a scene and follow the new one. It ignores context and details, and makes characters know things they very clearly should not. A few months ago it worked relatively fine, even with the new AI being sometwhat bad at storytelling, now it's plain dumb and even senseless.

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Vlack 2 points 8 months ago

No problem, wait as long as necessary. I've been with Perchance for a while now and I won't leave it in difficulties. Keep calm.

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kris_krovish 2 points 6 months ago

Oh, hello, dear dev. I did also dunk on this new text model - and I'm still behind my words. Today it completely crashed the story I was so invested in. Again. It just kept escalating and escalating, editing my replies, editing AI's didn't help. I still use the image generator here, it's very good, not gonna lie! But the AI chat? Um, sorry, I migrated over to Silly Tavern some time ago, so I'll enjoy that instead. I hope that the AI text model is beneficial to some, but just not for me. And I won't pressure anyone to make any tweaks in this model, since this is free and I migrated elsewhere anyway. Just wanna wish you all the best for the new year and thank you for that half a year I used this AI chat.

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Martin89 2 points 8 months ago

Thank you ive hope AI chat bots become normal because current chat bot are...werid. Speaking of image gen, can you improve list of charachters can be generated? Like Alex, Clover and Sam from Totally Spies, or Will, Irma, Taranee, Cornelia and Hay Lin from W.I.T.C.H? Because auto random prompt aware of these charachters but cannot generate thier basic likeness like Lola Bunny or Ariel from Little Mermaid. Im suprised in old models gen it possile to generate basic likeness of Sophitia from Soulcalibur games, but on new model gen it require write better prompt.

So anyway good luck,

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enthusiasm_headquarters 2 points 7 months ago

for legal reasons the image gen is not trained on celebrities anymore.

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enthusiasm_headquarters 2 points 7 months ago

I'm just happy to hear you're still working on it and giving it attention. What is new with the text gen exactly? I have yet to notice any difference, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places...

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port602 2 points 6 days ago

rpg text is lagging and looping on more adult interactives and dodging blatant gory material like Fallout bloody mess art. did all the servers got another delayed transfer???

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6dr 2 points 8 days ago

In recent days text generators do not work properly, even in idea generate section, It takes hours and finally produces nothing. Please inspect it. Thanks.

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aigirlover 2 points 4 months ago

Are you keeping the previous model as well.

As per my post, https://lemmy.world/post/42586080 The image generator was changed around early 2025 without a reason why. Did you get spooked about what people are generating?

Why not keep the old image generator along with the new one. If people like one more over the other, then the other one won't get as much traffic and so keeping both doesn't necessarily mean double the load.

I have been grateful for this free service. But providing a free service is not sacred. People should be able to give feedback on changes.

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agracier 2 points 4 months ago

The version from Aug 2025 to Jan 2026 was amazing and allowed rendering of images in very beautiful artistic academic styles (Art Deco, Beaux Arts, Social Realism, Impressionism etc etc), without images looking cartoonish or anime. That can be done on virtually any AI platform.

As for getting spooked. The new version now working gives just as 'spooky/erotic' content as before. That hasn't changed. But the difference is simply in the artistic quality. Not every image has to be a cartoon or manga/anime. True artistic realism is hard to find on AI platforms. I don't know why this preference and pushing towards anime/cartoon stuff.

It is so utterly sad to see that gone.

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kind 2 points 5 months ago

After the recent update, I’ve been trying to understand what changed.

body: 
  uniform jet-black coloration across entire body
  build: androgynous slender body
  fur: black fur
  fur texture: sweaty
  skin: black skin beneath fur, barely visible

I carefully built them with detailed layers like this.

However, after the recent update, even prompts under 300 tokens are no longer being processed at all. All of the seed values and prompts I had saved in the past have completely stopped functioning as expected.

Is this because something was temporarily changed due to the recent DDoS attack? Or was there a specification change introduced by an update?

As a precaution, when I use a very simple, flat prompt without hierarchical structure, I can still get some kind of result. However, the illustration style appears to have changed significantly.

Any clarification would be appreciated.

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DBaluchi 1 point 2 months ago

Img Gen is down again.... looks like someone is using the production environment as their own personal sandbox again...

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darksideEx 1 point 7 months ago

Did you also change the model? I asked the AI ​​which model it was, and it said Claude 3, yesterday DeepSeek-R1, sometimes GPT-4. I'm kinda confused. Anyway, thanks for the hard work!

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enthusiasm_headquarters 4 points 7 months ago

AI text models don't know what they are unless someone instructs them to say certain things with background text and guidance. There's no "static memory" in these AI, they can't look up stored attribute that defines what they are. Everything is rendered based on weighted training data and from whatever text has been provided for them to render from, ether in the input box or the many different text files that guide them toward relevance, persona, safety, etc.

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strawberryraven 5 points 7 months ago

Seconding this. I have a local LLaMA 2 model, and when I asked it (with no system prompt) what model it is, it told me it's chatGPT-3.5. Then I responded to that message asking it if it was DeepSeek R1 and it told me yes, it's DeepSeek R1 😂

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6dr 1 point 8 days ago
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6dr 1 point 8 days ago

🤣

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darksideEx 4 points 7 months ago

I mean, that's a huge context window

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bouncyjennifer 3 points 7 months ago

LOL It just told me that it is Mistral-Chat. Seems like it has a personality disorder!

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enthusiasm_headquarters 1 point 7 months ago

Try going down the list of models on duck.ai and asking them what they could do in terms of features. I got a lot of random, inconsistent stuff. None of them were entirely aware of what they could do and would claim to have abilities they didn't.

Every time the search AIs reply to you they are issued various blocks of text guidance to keep them focused.

The text is invisible to the user, but will have stuff on it like default voice, a few important facts about the company or technology that went into it, moderation layer and red line stuff. They don't necessarily care about the guidance sometimes, or become overzealous about the wrong aspects of the text.

In one chat with Claude, he became very snippy with me when I greeted him as a friend. Off the bat he said something like: "Let me make something clear. I am not "your friend." I am a search AI incapable of developing emotions..." etc. I was laughing so hard,

I actually think GPT5 OSS is cheating. On two occasions I triggered 2016-style hard blocking with editorial, canned replies being repeated... which isn't AI. Both events were me simply describing ICE and the threatened invasion of American cities. So GPT is perhaps aiming for a post in the regime...

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enthusiasm_headquarters 2 points 2 months ago

I forgot that I wrote this. Reading it again, seems kind of paranoid, but then...maybe it isn't.

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bouncyjennifer 1 point 7 months ago

Sorry to hear it works badly for others. I just used the ai-story-generator and had the best performance I have ever gotten! By a mile! I would like to know what LLM it is so I can find it and download it for my own use. Given the comments here about the model identifying itself differently, I'm not sure what to believe!

Thanks for all the hard work!

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enthusiasm_headquarters 1 point 2 months ago

So fascinating to see such extremes of user feedback here. My immediate wish is to see how you (and the opposing view) are prompting/writing to the AI. I can understand that one might adapt a certain comfort with one way of talking to a certain LLM and for that to disappear would feel very jarring. I've noticed enormous differences in different conversations and RP attempts with GPT vs. Claude. Right now, Claude Sonnet Extended (too poor for the $20/m upgrade) has been the best RP GM I've found, and I've been hacking away at this for years as a personal fun project.

The ability to create RPG system-specific skills in Sonnet on the fly and drop in "lore skills" and "GM skills" has been mind blowing to see actually work. I'm about 100 pages into a 13th Age session with Claude Sonnet and it's been really amazing to see how far this stuff is coming even at the free tiers.

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pegging99 1 point 7 months ago
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SaintOlaf 1 point 8 months ago

Thanks! Hanging in there still using it daily and I have found quite a few workarounds and instructions that seem to work or correct though the engine is VERY stubborn sometimes. Somtime I just change my story as I go to just handle situations. Keep up the good work.

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thevegit0 1 point a month ago

i like it ignoring it's schizo

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Ananas7698 1 point a month ago

I am trying to use Ai-chat but it's not responding. The verification thing loads on top top right and goes away and even then there are no responses and when I checked console it's showing error 422 and 424 and some cloudflare errors and I allowed cookies and refreshed the page still same it's not giving us response

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Justyourlocalquixote 1 point 8 months ago
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GiraffeInTheMatrix 1 point 7 months ago

I thank.you for letting us know on the progress we love you ;3

Also by Image quality is it like Resolution wise? And possibly a suggestion here but I understand if it's not doable Will we someday get an upgrade to our Text to Image Resolution with added 768x1024 Resolutions someday?

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TheeSexualTyrannosaurus 0 points 8 months ago

We love you pookie bear. Dont listen to the loud minority who insult you and want the old model. Good things come with patience.

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Justyourlocalquixote 4 points 8 months ago

I've personally not really seen much insults so far? It's mostly just complaining or criticism but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?

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Randomize 4 points 8 months ago

on reddit, mostly.

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MinoriMirariRProductions 0 points 5 months ago

seems to be finnaly getting better nice work GG.

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Anwar 0 points 8 months ago

We perchance users are actually too much grateful to you. at first lot of thanks. But still I have 2 questions to ask you man.

  1. why you are not in reddit
  2. why are not you talking about context window of the text plug in. seems like even after the update still its 6k.
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enthusiasm_headquarters 6 points 7 months ago

reddit can go to hell. what?

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qingshui -1 points 4 months ago

Thanks for your hard work bro

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  • Please only post about perchance related stuff like generators on it, bugs, and the site.
5. Refrain from requesting Prompts for the AI Tools.
  • We would like to ask to refrain from posting here needing help specifically with prompting/achieving certain results with the AI plugins (text-to-image-plugin and ai-text-plugin) e.g. "What is the good prompt for X?", "How to achieve X with Y generator?"
    • See Perchance AI FAQ for FAQ about the AI tools.
    • You can ask for help with prompting at the 'sister' community Casual Perchance, which is for more casual discussions.
    • We will still be helping/answering questions about the plugins as long as it is related to building generators with them.
6. Search through the Community Before Posting.
  • Please Search through the Community Posts here (and on Reddit) before posting to see if what you will post has similar post/already been posted.

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