Proton Pass Alternatives

6 months ago by guymontag to c/privacy

I personally love proton pass’s frontend app, but i don’t wanna host my data on proton’s servers(personal reasons). Is there any other password managers that support iOS, android, and browser extension, that is as good. (I tried bitwarden wasn’t good cuz on mobile I had to reenter master pass over and over. I tried keypassxc, but the frontend sucks and dealing with syncing between devices is a pain in the ass.) I appreciate everyone’s help!

favoredponcho 37 points 6 months ago

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url 5 points 6 months ago

For me, I'm extra paranoid.. Someone can forcefully unlock with biometric

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hitmyspot 12 points 6 months ago

You can set a pin as an alternative. Pin would be easier to brute force but no different to a password when forcefully unlocked by coersion.

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jokeyrhyme 3 points 6 months ago

there's the lockdown or similar feature at the phone level in Android and iOS

if you're in a situation where you don't want someone to access Bitwarden, then you probably also want to stop them from using your browser with all the cookies and logins it currently has

so temporarily block all biometric access on your phone in such cases, and merrily enjoy biometric access when you're physically safe again

on Android, it's Power + Volume-Up, then Lockdown

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favoredponcho 2 points 6 months ago

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kepix 1 point 6 months ago

i think you can alsk yubikey

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DieserTypMatthias 27 points 6 months ago

I tried bitwarden wasn’t good cuz on mobile I had to reenter master pass over and over

Setup fingerprint unlock and enable it in Bitwarden.

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mortalic 20 points 6 months ago

Bitwarden, is still the way to go. I say this as a proton customer. I've learned to work around it's small annoyances

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guymontag -3 points 6 months ago

On mobile, I had to reenter the master password ever time I filled in a password. With a really safe, long, password, it was torture.

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EntropyPure 18 points 6 months ago

That is something you can configure in the settings for the mobile app. To ask for the master password every time is default behavior, but it can also be set to a PIN or biometric instead.

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JASN_DE 5 points 6 months ago

How would this be any different with another app?

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guymontag -5 points 6 months ago

On proton pass, I just need a pin(which isn’t enabled by default, it should be tho)

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JASN_DE 27 points 6 months ago

Same on Bitwarden.

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Interstellar_1 13 points 6 months ago

It's just a setting you enable in bitwarden settings

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doodoo_wizard 10 points 6 months ago

Use bitwarden, go to Settings -> account security -> unlock with pin and turn it on. If it’s already on, toggle it off then on. You will be prompted to set your pin. Dont forget your master password.

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guymontag 3 points 6 months ago

I wont :) I should give bitwarden another try.

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doodoo_wizard 2 points 6 months ago

After you eventually settle on bitwarden, rotate all passwords and uninstall or clear out the contents of other password managers. From your replies in this thread it seems like you’ve used many different managers.

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guymontag 1 point 6 months ago

I’ve switched 5 times in one day

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human 10 points 6 months ago

If your main concern is usability, 1password works pretty well. The downsides are it's paid, closed source, and I think they removed the option to use a local vault, so it might have to be cloud.

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guymontag 0 points 6 months ago

I’ll check it out. If it’s cheap I might be willing to try it. Its not like proton is FOSS.

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theherk 5 points 6 months ago

WDYM? Isn’t it?

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guymontag 4 points 6 months ago

Only the frontend. Not the backend, so you can’t self host without modifying both browser extension and mobile app, along with rewriting a server from scratch.

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theherk 5 points 6 months ago

Okay fair enough, but that is at least slightly different than saying Proton isn’t FOSS, but I understand.

They have a pretty good FOSS standing and audits for software they distribute. While that doesn’t make it easy to host privately, it does make it trivial to see how data is shipped to their servers.

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TheJnx 10 points 6 months ago

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url 8 points 6 months ago

Whats wrong with keepass. I'v been syncing with syncthing for years now. I still don't know why frontend matters is not like you will use it every 10 minutes

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guymontag 1 point 6 months ago

Idk it was so bad it was annoying me, when I tried. Maybe I should force myself to use for a month, and see the results.

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JSens1998 1 point 6 months ago

I get to keep the ass? I should switch to that.

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RodgeGrabTheCat 7 points 6 months ago

I don't know if Syncthing is available on iOS but this works great to sync Keepass's database between Linux and Android.

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guymontag 1 point 6 months ago

Synctrain is an ios syncthing client. It works great!

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RodgeGrabTheCat 2 points 6 months ago

Good to know, thanks.

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viscacha 5 points 6 months ago

KeePassium on iOS and the .kdbx-files in your iCloud for sync? Strongbox for macOS.

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guymontag 2 points 6 months ago

I don’t wanna be reliant on icloud. Also keepassxc web ui sucks ass.

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E_coli42 3 points 6 months ago

What's wrong with having your data on proton's servers? I thought the app and browser extensions are verifiably only sending encrypted packets? Or do they only encrypt your password and send metadata as is?

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guymontag -1 points 6 months ago

I wanna use a different proton service, but using 2 services from proton is a bad idea.

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E_coli42 5 points 6 months ago

Why

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jokeyrhyme 1 point 6 months ago

Use one service for one thing, so that when it gets disabled, only that one thing is affected.

https://ignorethecode.net/...

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E_coli42 2 points 6 months ago

That's fine as a general guideline, but does not need to be a steadfast rule. You can use your own judgement. I like ProtonPass's SimpleLogin feature so I use that for email aliases. Its so nice and convenient.

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nitrolife 2 points 6 months ago

KeePassXC. I think you can install client on every OS.

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Sirius006 1 point 6 months ago

If it can help you, I'm in the process of choosing a password manager for my small company and asked this (awesome) community for help.

I made a table with the results so far. You can find it here : https://sh.itjust.works/post/52850975

I'm still lost, but I hope it can help you...

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Fokeu 1 point 6 months ago

KeepassXC

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copyscam 0 points 6 months ago

I use ExpressVPN and their PW manager. I love it. It also has 2fa keys. Super dynamic and has worked on a few different phones I've had as well as browsers (Vivaldi, brave, etc)

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guymontag 6 points 6 months ago

I wouldn’t trust any of those vpns that do a shit ton of youtube sponsors. You should try mullvad.

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copyscam 2 points 6 months ago

not aware of youtube sponsorships or why that would matter. I've used it for like 4 years now and have had no problems.

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Teienkawi 0 points 6 months ago

Ive found pencil/pen and paper and memorization work (ive been got by a bad download they cant scrape the paper) its old school but its pretty good not all eggs in one basket kind of thing

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Nighed 0 points 6 months ago

All good until your house burns down/floods or something.

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Teienkawi 0 points 5 months ago

Dizzyam. nice call. i didnt think of that. Those could be a problem but the pass words a quick grab away so if im alive they ok(flood would be worst clothes get wet. Fire im out the window) ill put them in zip locks.

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Nighed 0 points 5 months ago

If they are serious passwords, look at putting them in a fireproof bag.

Otherwise, what happens if something happens when you are out?

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Teienkawi 0 points 5 months ago

Nice Thank you this is good thinking

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Don't promote proprietary software
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