YSK you can add a noAI version of DuckDuckGo to Firefox

9 months ago by glitching to c/youshouldknow

DDG has a noAI portal that filters out AI images and doesn't bother you with summations and things. it's available at noai.duckduckgo.com and you can add it as a separate search engine to Firefox thusly.

logicbomb 93 points 9 months ago

I'm going to say something spicy here, but for me personally, I've found DuckDuckGo's AI search summaries to be quite useful. Not for the actual AI summary text, but for the links they give, which are often better than the normal search results.

That being said, I could easily do without them.

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RedstoneValley 37 points 9 months ago

As I said elsewhere, the problem is in fact that search engine providers deliberately make their search results worse to push AI usage. This keeps the user entirely under their control and at the same time hurts the websites the AI training data was stolen from, because no one will bother to visit them any more. I'm not saying DDG does this, but they get their search results from other search engines where this is the case.

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lIlIlIlIlIlIl 10 points 9 months ago

Is that a documented fact that they make old search worse to promote AI?

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Glemek 9 points 9 months ago

Google for sure did, you can read about it here: https://www.wheresyoured.at/...

Idk if DDG did similar or if they did, if it is documented.

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8uurg 5 points 9 months ago

Note that, reading the article & a recent follow up, it was moreso serving more ads that drove them to make results worse, rather than AI: the article was published in 2024, and refers to events starting in 2019. GPT2 got released around that time, way before ChatGPT (2022).

Still 100% enshittification though.

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iturnedintoanewt 2 points 9 months ago

Wow that's a really insightful article, I doubt a lot of people know about this, Thanks!

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RedstoneValley 5 points 9 months ago

The fact that search engine results gotten worse itself and that this was done deliberately is well documented, and it is documented that Google and others have a history of trying to prevent users from clicking through to the actual websites and keeping them in their ecosystem. They have developed similar things in the past, like Google AMP.

I have no definitive proof that they worsen their search results for promoting AI, but if you look at this thing there are a lot of indicators for this to be true. Controlling what the user will see and where they will go next is vital for these companies and it's the reason why content algorithms exist and why they are creating "bubbles" to put individual users into. It's all about controlling the content the user will see. Now if you think about it and ask yourself if having an AI box dominating the upper half of the screen giving you answers that the search results below don't is beneficial to these goals, the answer is most likely yes.

Also you can do your own experiments which will make it pretty evident. Search for a few more obscure search terms. Use niche topics that will not yield a lot of results. In most cases the AI will nail it and the search results below won't. Even if you use advanced search techniques it is really difficult to get the information that the AI gave you as a regular search result. But when you ask the AI for a source you get a website which has the content you were looking for.

Now the question is: Why is the AI that much better than the regular search engine? If you have used Google in the past, only a few years ago, it was perfectly possible to get those results through regular search, which is now bordering on being impossible. Odd, isn't it? It seems like they gave AI a much bigger index to work with than their own search engine.

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Sierk 2 points 9 months ago

I have been wondering wether this is the case too. The search results on Google have really worsened the last few years, in my experience.

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lIlIlIlIlIlIl 2 points 9 months ago

The fact that search engine results gotten worse itself and that this was done deliberately is well documented

Would love to read more about this if you or anyone has links

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Appoxo 2 points 9 months ago

IMO that is a case of an unintended but welcome outcome for those companies

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can 14 points 9 months ago

While we're at it, I also like that they give me an AI chat that is ostensibly more private than alternatives for the times it's useful. And choosing different models is great.

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pelespirit 14 points 9 months ago

I agree. I don't trust the AI at all, but the links are quick and easy to use.

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priapus 10 points 9 months ago

You can also set them to only show up when you click a button for them, which I always preferred.

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logicbomb 8 points 9 months ago

This is perfect for my use case. I mostly think AI results are a waste of energy, but having them on demand can be useful.

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thethunderwolf 2 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately not possible when using temporary containers

Temporary Containers Plus is a Firefox extension that puts all containerless tabs in temporary throwaway containers that get deleted soon after they become unused

It does, however, interfere with saving site settings because cookies won't be saved.

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can 2 points 9 months ago

Could you maybe get around that with a greasemonkey (or preferred addon) script?

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silverhand 4 points 9 months ago

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whaleross 1 point 9 months ago

Me too, but fair warning to double check on the links if it is something niche. Perplexity can not always be trusted to interpret limited information properly. It does a pretty good job on enough for me to use it though.

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JubilantJaguar 2 points 9 months ago

A spicier take still: I personally have found DDG's AI summaries useful even without further clicking. When one's query is purely technical (vs politics or whatever), I don't see any need to click dutifully.

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CountVlad47 36 points 9 months ago

This can also be achieved just by changing DuckDuckGo's settings using the menu in the top-right corner of the page and can turn off other things including adverts if you want to.

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SpicyTaint 46 points 9 months ago

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randomblock1 17 points 9 months ago

There's a button "Show Bookmarklet and Settings Data" that saves all the settings to query parameters

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SpicyTaint 6 points 9 months ago

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logicbomb 16 points 9 months ago

I remember when cruise control first became widespread for cars. Most people didn't use it or barely used it. Some people, like me, did a lot of testing and figured out the best ways to use it, and ended up using it more than most. But then, there were people who just assumed it would work perfectly like they imagined, and used it as if it was a full-self-driving car, which immediately had bad results.

I think the worst thing about AI is that it lures people into fully trusting it, and they don't even realize that their cruise control car is heading off-road towards a cliff. AI can be a useful tool if you know what you're doing, but it is such a bad idea to have it on by default. Even a lot of fairly experienced users are tricked by AI. The average person doesn't have a chance. It's irresponsible to expose them to it.

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JustARegularNerd 6 points 9 months ago

I was going to mention about this whole thing with Winnebago and a driver assuming cruise control was FSD, but turns out that story is completely false. My father told me that story 10 years ago and I never thought to fact check it..

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logicbomb 4 points 9 months ago

I don't have a link, but I am sure I saw it on the news in the early or mid 90s. But one thing I have learned recently is that many of the "news" articles about cars are invented stories planted by other car companies.

Like one recent thing you'd have seen is stories about electric cars catching fire. It seemed that every time any electric car caught fire, it was national news, but non-electric cars catch fire frequently, as well.

So anyways, long story... less long, the story I'm remembering might have been fake, as well.

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neuracnu 13 points 9 months ago

Somebody at work showed me keyword shortcuts ages ago and I have tons of them now.

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Brekky 7 points 9 months ago

What are those?

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neuracnu 21 points 9 months ago

Well I’m so glad you asked!!

You’re looking at one in the screenshot. Firefox does this, as does Chrome and some other browsers as well.

A bookmark keyword is a tiny bit of text that you can configure your browser to treat differently when you use it in the location bar.

Typically, whatever you type into the browser location bar will either treat that text like a website you’re trying to go to (like “apnews.com” or “ www.wikipedia.org ”) or text that gets sent to a search engine (like “tasty dinner ideas” or “best white socks”). However, if the text you enter starts with a bookmark keyword you’ve set up, the browser will insert the rest of the text you entered into a website address in a specified place.

This is typically useful to speed up searching on specific websites.

So if you want to search Wikipedia for “particle physics”, you can go to the Wikipedia website and enter “particle physics” into the search box and click the search button. That would send you to a page with search results of the text you entered. If you look at the location bar, you should see a URL that looks like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=particle+physics

What we notice here is that the text you entered, “particle physics” is right there in the URL.

To turn this into a bookmark keyword, you create a bookmark to this search results page, then replace your search term with the characters “%s”, so the bookmark URL would look like so:

Then, in the “keyword” box, you can enter whatever text you want to use for this shortcut. For Wikipedia, I like using just the letter ‘w’. (You don’t need quotes around it.) Save the bookmark, and that’s it.

Now, whenever you want to search Wikipedia, all you have to do is type “w particle physics” or “w forest fires” or “w whatever” into the location bar and the browser will take you directly to the search page with those results.

You can do this with basically any website with search functionality: search engines, retail stores, news, IMDb, reference resources, whatever.

This feature also can be used for going to detail pages directly if you have a specific reference number.

So let’s say you’re at work and you have a trouble ticketing system that shows details of ongoing issues. The URL for ticket number q-rt-654321 might look like this:

https://troubletickets.mycompanyfoo.biz/ticket/q-rt-654321/view

So if you had the ticket number handy (like from an email chain), you could create a bookmark keyword to go directly to the ticket detail page:

https://troubletickets.mycompanyfoo.biz/ticket/%s/view

…and use the keyword “tt” for trouble ticket.

Now you can just type “tt q-rt-654321” into the location bar and go right to the detail page (presuming the ticket number is accurate).

And that’s it.

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Brekky 9 points 9 months ago

Cool thanks for the explanation, I'm off to make some bookmark keywords!

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pineapplelover 3 points 9 months ago

I suppose this is faster than using !bangs on ddg

Edit: I started using this the other day, it's been amazing

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eco_game 2 points 9 months ago

I already knew about using this for search, but the ticket example is another great use I didn't think of at all! Totally using this, thanks.

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kamen 1 point 9 months ago

Opera had this 20+ years ago. Once you get used to it, there's no going back.

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MonkderVierte 12 points 9 months ago

But it should really be "ai.duckduckgo.com" and off by default.

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b_tr3e 4 points 9 months ago

The fact that something should be a specific way has absolutely nothing to to with the way it actually is.

F.W. Nietzsche, Morgenröthe

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Appoxo 2 points 9 months ago

If you see AI you need to duck, duck again then go (as fast as you can)

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lemmie689 9 points 9 months ago

There is also the no-java site, idk if it filters out ai images, but doesn't seem to have ai otherwise, no search assist.

https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/

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b_tr3e 8 points 9 months ago

Java is not Javascript. They're not even related. Netscape chose the name to profit from Java's poularity back in its' day.

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lemmie689 3 points 9 months ago

Thanks for the correction. The message does say "redirecting to non-javascript site" when I search with noscript installed.

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irelephant 7 points 9 months ago

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unexposedhazard 8 points 9 months ago

AAAA wtf im trying to post the URL parameter for easy copying, but it always gets converted to this

https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%25s

Where the fuck is that 25 coming from?

If i write /?q=%s seperately like this its not problem. This even happens on mobile, so its just not allowed to post this kind of link for some reason.

noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%s

Oh without the https:// it doesnt happen

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Badabinski 11 points 9 months ago

It's getting encoded. % is a special character in URIs. Let me try posting it inside of back ticks, as well as triple back ticks:

https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%25s

https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%25s

I've noticed that there's a plague of threadiverse clients which improperly escape/encode URIs. It's most evident with how they mangle parenthesis in Wikipedia article titles.

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clean_anion 6 points 9 months ago

%20 is the URL-encoded form of a space; %25 is the URL-encoded form of the percent sign. The URL you are posting gets re-encoded and % becomes %25 (in the same way that a space becomes %20)

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stephen 4 points 9 months ago

It’s encoding your URL into the correct format for your Browers URL bar. “%25” is the encoded version of “%”, so it’s being replaced.

It’s obviously incorrect in this instance since it’s not an actual URL. Maybe it wouldn’t happen if you’re able to put the URL string into a code block?

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MonkderVierte 3 points 9 months ago

Why tf is http not unicode yet?

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Arghblarg 7 points 9 months ago

...or to Vivaldi, or vanilla Chrome, or any other browser that has search engine options in its Settings.

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Tar_alcaran 1 point 9 months ago

Even edge has that nowadays.

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whaleross 6 points 9 months ago

And you can use the three dots menu on each link in the search results to file that a result is AI slop or otherwise not trustworthy and also filter domains from your future search results.

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themaninblack 5 points 9 months ago

I don’t mind when it links to wiki but I actually follow the link to verify. It totally made up a pardon from the king of England to some guy yesterday

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MutilationWave 1 point 9 months ago

Yeah I have duck ai on. I'm a hypocrite. If it's some bullshit question I tend to go with it, but if it's anything remotely important I ignore it.

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kieron115 4 points 9 months ago

Does this do the same thing as turning off duck.ai in settings?

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Nioxic 3 points 9 months ago

I just search with ecosia Now

They plant trees for their profits

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adsche 1 point 9 months ago

Ecosia wants to become an "AI powered" search engine as well now. Recent reviews on Kununu imply that the CEO/COO are pushing this against employee resistance.

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GlenRambo 3 points 9 months ago

Can I combine this with start.duckduckgo.com ?

And is there a mist of all the *.duckduckgo links?

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Xylian 3 points 9 months ago

Yes you can, by using the settings: https://start.duckduckgo.com/settings#aifeatures

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s08nlql9 3 points 9 months ago

Fan of DDG, but i find SearX with better results

https://sx.vern.cc/search?q=query

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ohshit604 2 points 9 months ago

SearX is deprecated whereas SearXNG however, is its successor.

SearXNG is not a search engine but an aggregator, it’ll utilize whatever search engines it’s configured with to output results.

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MutilationWave 2 points 9 months ago

I just repeated a very specific search I made earlier today on DDG using SearX for the first time. The results are very similar, with many identical links. SearX gave me more forum results versus listicles though. From a one shot it looks pretty good. I'll save it, thanks.

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Jack 3 points 9 months ago

Isn't it better to put "q=%s" in Advanced, POST; instead of GETting it by having "?q=%s" in the URL?

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ken 2 points 9 months ago

I wonder if there is any difference between https://noai.duckduckgo.com/lite and https://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite 🤔

To remove room for doubt of that just pushed to change default search engine of Konform Browser to noai domain.

Ty for reminding me of this!

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ArkanianOffshoot 2 points 9 months ago

there’s also a yesai.duckduckgo.com version, lol

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reallyzen 2 points 9 months ago

Thanks !

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RickyRigatoni 1 point 9 months ago

I used DDG last night to search something with the hide ai images option checked and third result was from aiwallpapers.com

Yeah I know it's a new feature and there's gonna be some kinks but come on IT'S IN THE URL

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Sam_Bass 1 point 9 months ago

Also just made that my chrome homepage. Tried Firefox a couple times before but its even more bloated

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kadu 1 point 9 months ago

I don't trust DuckDuckGo. I think they're... Too clean, too friendly, too invested in the "teehee we are a cool brand" image. They're also offering things that don't make sense for a for profit organization (you can simply disable the ads? For free? And still use their infrastructure?).

I'd bet ten years from now we figure out they are indeed collecting user data, valuable user data because it comes from lowering the guards of users that otherwise block data collection attempts. For a government, for other companies, or both.

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quips 9 points 9 months ago

Listed: not a single legitimate reason to distrust them.

What do you think of their audits?

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kadu 7 points 9 months ago

Apple also promised they were squeaky clean with your data. Snowden came along and shattered this illusion.

Even "independent" audits are not universally trust worthy.

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Mrnottoobright 1 point 9 months ago

Yes, but then at that point of distrust, we'd just be better living a caveman life without internet. Gotta draw the line somewhere!

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kadu 0 points 9 months ago

Or I can use a self hosted SearXNG instance and not be a caveman? Or I can use the tool, but not glaze it online spreading it to others as if trust was a given?

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Smoogs 4 points 9 months ago

And how do we know you’re not a Russian bot account?

You sound too squeaky clean….

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kadu 4 points 9 months ago

You're totally free to distrust me. I'm not sure how you think this would be a gotcha.

If I asked for your personal data and you gave it to me, I'd think you're naive.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 9 months ago

thanky

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sol6_vi 1 point 9 months ago

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quips -5 points 9 months ago

Don’t know why you would, its as good as any other ai search summary and completely private.

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expr 5 points 9 months ago

Because people want to be free from being bombarded by AI slop.

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kadu 5 points 9 months ago

as good as any other ai search summary

Oh ok, so absolute dog shit then

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Tja 1 point 9 months ago

Garbage in garbage out

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Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.

Rule 11- Posts must actually be true:

Disinformation, trolling, and being misleading will not be tolerated. Repeated or egregious attempts will earn you a ban. This also applies to filing reports: If you continually file false reports YOU WILL BE BANNED! We can see who reports what, and shenanigans will not be tolerated. We are not here to ban people who said something you don't like.

Rule 12- Linking directly to a video as a source is not acceptable.

Video only posts are responsible for an outsized portion of rules violations. Your post must contain text and meet the requirements of the previous rules.

Rule 13- If you file a report, include what specific rule is being violated and how.

Partnered Communities:

You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.

Community Moderation

For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.

Credits

Our icon(masterpiece) was made by @clen15!

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