Signal Founder Moxie Marlinspike: Telegram is not private. There is nothing private about it. They've done a really amazing job of convincing the world that this is an encrypted messaging app

4 months ago by Wudi to c/privacy

“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”

“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”

" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request.  To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"

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user_name 205 points 4 months ago

Why is this interview happening inside a sauna?

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Wudi 28 points 4 months ago path: 0 22378526 22379892, hotness: undefined, score: 28, children: 7
0x0 29 points 4 months ago

Why did he invite the hot reporter chick to his sauna? would be the follow-up question...

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bamboo 47 points 4 months ago

It's a sauna on a boat. She's out in the middle of nowhere with some dude she barely knows. You know, she looks around and what does she see? Nothin' but open ocean.

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flying_sheep 14 points 4 months ago

If I had a personal sauna, I'd invite everyone. But I'm not from puritan central (USA) so that might be a foreign concept to some readers.

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MrSoup 12 points 4 months ago

You answered yourself.

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