If they win and don’t loudly and publicly start undoing shit then voter turnout will be abysmal in 2028 and they’ll lose everything again.

they are the ones that peacefully handed over the keys. it's not turtles but bankrolled politicians all the wayyy ddooowwwwnnnnnnn.

More likely than not, they'll become complicit in much of the Republican criminal enterprise by inertia. Then, their inability to roll back any of the deeply unpopular Republican positions will tank their own popularity. And finally, Republicans will come roaring back into office to be the Enthusiastic Fascist Party rather than the Reluctant Fascist Party.

But hey, DON'T SAY ANY OF THIS TOO LOUDLY. If people hear you casting dispersion on the liberal party, they might become sad. And if they become sad, they might not Vote Blue No Matter Who. And if they don't Vote Blue, Republicans will win. And then Republican Fascism will be YOUR FAULT!

They proved who they are.

So did the Democrats. Over and over again. You're not going to get anything you're asking for and you're delusional if you expect otherwise. Their job is to calm people down so we can ratchet towards fascism again in a few years.

There are a lot of Democrats that are not in any way progressive. For domestic issues there will always be a few that the GOP can count on to dissent and break the Democrat majority. For isreal-related there will be dozens beholden to AIPAC who will vote however the Israeli government wants.

This is the secondary danger of Trump being terrible: democratic party doesn't have to actually change or improve to win. They just have to exist.

They pulled the olive branch from the dime, you better not offer up another fucking olive branch Dems. (but we all know you will because you still think unhinged MAGA voters will somehow come around)

Anything less than burning through the Epstein list and arresting every single one of them, while making the biggest effort they can to undo everything that's happened during the Trump terms should not be accepted

Honestly, for many things, betting sites are more reliable. But not for elections.

I trust the betting sites and the surveys about equally.

This is why Republicans get free rein to actively destroy the country every four years.

Except these markets were usually more accurate then polls. Don't get me wrong, I hate them and I laughed at people betting that Trump would receive more votes. But the market was right, not the polls.

If they don't impeach and prosecute with impunity, the whole effort is wasted. Everyone of relevance to the current administration needs to end up in jail by 2028. That's what we're voting for in November.

They won’t push past the line of “normalcy”

It might not be an issue if the sitting party refuses to release the reins of power.

So much of the current political system works because the parties are joined at the hip. But as Trump leads the federal government into increasingly fascist forms, the leadership demonstrates itself significantly less willing to just go-along get-along with the historic Reagan Era neoliberal order.

Why relinquish your Congressional majority if Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries will let you keep it? Why abide by the legislative branch at all if you've got Palantir running the Treasury and Google/Microsoft running the Pentagon?

Even in bright blue states like Minnesota, the response to outright fascist takeover at the highest levels of government is to raise your fist in defiance and then... give up on your reelection campaign for governor.

What do you mean?! They allow us to pretend our country is merely dysfunctional instead of nakedly evil, thereby absolving us of any serious mandate to take action to protect our fellow man!

some fuckstick will appear that blocks any kinda of meaningful progress, same story from lieberman to manchin, rinse and repeat

Democrats are still led by Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries. There's nothing to worry about for the establishment.

UK Labour in a nutshell

In fairness, the Dems wouldn't even try it