Raku community(?) in 2026 - how my permanent ban came to be - Marton Polgar
5 months ago by Elizabeth Mattijsen to c/rakulang
Thank you for your effort. Not sure if I can incorporate much of your summary but your efficiency - reading the article, following the links and the conversations, watching the video snippets, and being able to write a conclusive summary by the time the (re)post was out for an hour and a half - will inspire me on the way forward.
Lmao. Welcome to lemmy, the place where the radical Marxists live. Here "gay marriage" is just called "marriage" and marriage is not seen as religious or for reproduction. Far-right people are not well tolerated, you know you've found one when they unironically call the things they don't like "woke." Could anyone take this statement without saying yikes: "I think wokeness is a legitimate ideological problem that is so bizarre to many people (possibly the majority) that you should seriously think whether it's useful to label everyone far-right who doesn't roll with it." And yet it is the master vs main ranting that the author actually regrets.
Edit: Ahh I see what happened here. This raku community believes in "troll hugging." So they attract these types, are nice to them no matter what they say, are supposed to not mind the abuse, and when they realize this method does not work and in fact harms everyone around them, hell breaks loose and you get this article. Pro tip: don't tolerate it in the first place.
Alright then, culture war and all. At least you made it clear that you didn't care about the actual content at all. That does speed reading up for sure.
I'm afraid there is nothing to be taken from the comment, then. You got your representation, well done.
You got banned because no one wanted to be around you, there is no nice way to say it. Not just having awful takes, but repeatedly going on rants even after people told you to stop. Whenever someone told you to stop going off-topic and starting what are essentially flame wars, you then started screeching about being silenced. You also bash random people at times about their contributions not being good enough to you, which is uncalled for and toxic. Your article reads like you view yourself as the victim. But you are not one. I am surprised you even made an account just to whine at me on lemmy, which is a leftist social media platform, I'm from one of the anarchist instances even.
If someone made it clear to you that you made everyone uncomfortable, then maybe you would get it (I am guessing you have trouble reading social cues) but instead they "troll hugged" you until they got sick of it. The "code of conduct violations" (aka bigotry) is why they got rid of you. You can write the best code, but it does not mean people will be willing to work with you. You will not be able to find some magical rule to win and get unbanned like a lawyer in a legal case. It is not stalking either when people don't want to be associated with your views, let alone their project they have been working on for years. Your views are harmful to people in real life. But you dismiss the very real harm and hand wave it as a "culture war". That is incredibly messed up.
It doesn't matter what anyone says to you, you disregard whatever people say because you just have to be right on whatever subject comes up and you feel personally attacked like the injustice is happening to you. That is exhausting to be around. You should aim to be more empathetic. Picture why the other people were uncomfortable, why they asked you to stop ranting, why they banned you when they are supposed to hug trolls until they feel safe enough to open up and change (supposedly, I maintain that doesn't work with randos). My solution is to get a therapist, I know that sounds like I'm being mean, but a therapist can literally break this down for you and help you uncover why this happened, all in a safe place. You need to reflect on this. Or you are doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes.
Abstracting from this particular case, I imagine it could help to have an additional IRC channel, named e.g. #raku-debate. Something like this surely has been considered before, but I think the advantages are really significant.
The purpose would not, of course, be to say: "Anything contentious must go in #raku-debate and has no place in #raku". It would be a last resort; #raku would continue to be the default place for discussions. But when someone does want to discuss something that others find (in principle or merely at the time) excessively bothersome for the general-purpose channel #raku, then one can say: "please don't discuss this in this channel," and still offer this IRC discussion a place inside the official realms of the Raku community.
It would make it easier on the person who is being told not to discuss their topic in #raku.
It would make it easier on those moderating #raku.
It would also make it easier for people who may have something useful to say on the topic, but decide against chiming in out of concern for others in #raku who are already exhausted by the discussion. Heck, I would bet that at times even simple clarification questions don't get asked for such reasons; which would mean that certain misunderstandings may persist and cause damage when they could have been resolved...
Thanks for creating the channel! As for the question of what has to go in #raku-debate, and what can still be discussed in #raku even if contentious: Ultimately it'll probably have to be decided through a consensus by the community or steering council. My thinking behind
The purpose would not, of course, be to say: “Anything contentious must go in #raku-debate and has no place in #raku”.
is: It makes sense to require that the bulk of any contentious discussion happen in #raku-debate, but in my opinion what should still be allowed in #raku (as long as one doesn't abuse this) includes:
- to begin any discussion in #raku (moving to #raku-debate when asked to),
- to mention the state of a #raku-debate discussion in the main channel from time to time,
- to ask people from #raku to look at an ongoing or logged discussion and/or to add their opinion.
Everybody needs to read https://raku.org/fun before participating in the Raku community.
Just added https://old.raku.org/fun/ to the new site - https://raku.org/fun
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We are a bunch of volunteers developing the Raku Programming Language as the Open Source language of the future.
We also develop tools, web-services and applications written in the Raku Programming Language.
We try real hard to be nice to each other. You can help too! The only requirement is that you know how to be nice to all kinds of people (and butterflies 🦋). And don't be afraid to ask if you do not understand something.
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That was a crazy read, Nemokosch is truly insufferable.
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