German foreign minister will put Ukraine first, "no matter what my German voters think"

4 years ago by guojing to c/selfawarewolves

So this is still considered a democracy?

ailiphilia 2 points 4 years ago

I'm not supporting this politician, but the video sections give a VERY biased view of what she really said. This is completely out of context. Biased articles citing the video were first published by Bild Zeitung and Die Welt, two German newspapers published by Springer Verlag. In the meantime there reports (mostly in German) criticising these articles.

There's of course nothing wrong with critical journalism, but this is no journalism at all imo.

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guojing -4 points 4 years ago

Tell me, what is the context that makes it okay for the German government to put the interests of another country over the interests of its own citizens? Because clearly no one voted for this.

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ailiphilia 6 points 4 years ago

When I see that the family next door gets robbed, raped and murdered, I do what I can to help them. This is not only in their but also in my interest, because then I may reasonably expect that the society would also help my own family should they have to experience the same hell. I don't want to live in a world where someone can commit the worst crimes and no one cares because "it is not in their interest". I guess that's part of what is called civilization.

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DreadfulSanity 5 points 3 years ago

I, a citizen and one of her voters, do not want a Europe in which we concede a sovereign nation, the Ukraine, to a totalitarian dictator. Putin will not stop at the Ukraine. Now, I'm the first one to prefer a diplomatic solution. Problem is: There is no diplomatic solution. Everything diplomatic would mean giving in to Putin and giving up at least part of the Ukraine. So, yes. Some of her voters may be unhappy. Not all of her voters though. And democracy is when we decide at the next ballot if we agree or not. I have a lot of qualms with the current government. Ukraine is not one of them.

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schroedingershat 3 points 3 years ago

I believe it is preferred to refer to the country as Ukraine (without the). There's no direct translation, but Russia refers to Ukraine (but not other countries) as if it were an internal territory of Russia. The way they refer to territories translates roughly to prefacing them with "the".

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DreadfulSanity 1 point 3 years ago

Conclusion

A quote from Annalena Baerbock is partly shortened and partly misrepresented. Pro-Russian channels are circulating a video clip that is missing parts of their statement. A German medium also included an incorrect part of the quote in the headline, but changed it after a few hours.

Baerbock has often been the target of social media disinformation campaigns aimed at discrediting her.

Translated via Google Translate from BR.de

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sexy_peach 1 point 4 years ago

Yes, also this Party is very popular?

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yogthos -1 points 4 years ago

I love how having 20~30% approval is considered very popular in western "democracies".

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PolandIsAStateOfMind -3 points 4 years ago

It is, by the western media, the same that call for US invasion every time some country democratically elect anyone left of Wall Street.

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sexy_peach 3 points 4 years ago

Germany is a democracy.

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PolandIsAStateOfMind -2 points 4 years ago

As seen in OP. Bourgeois democracy, which means democracy for the bourgeoisie, and apparently mostly for USA bourgeoisie.

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sexy_peach 1 point 4 years ago

nah, most German voters are dumb, very old and somewhat brainwashed. That's why we have stupid government. Also democracy isn't a perfect system...

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