!fediverse@piefed.social mod throws insults then blocks replies.

2 months ago by db0 to c/yepowertrippinbastards

Rimu published yet another hit piece against the /0 instance and this time posted it in his own instance comms as well. One of his mods jumped in, admitted they don't know anything about anything, but nevertheless felt confident enough to state their opinion as fact and in the process insult all of us collectively, then stickied his opinion for good measure.

So I decided to reply sarcastically, at which point that mod insulted me and locked the thread, which is apparently a feature in piefed which simply hides/deletes further replies in that thread, but since it's not a feature in lemmy, it appears to function like a shadow delete.

This is what my last reply would have been.

(Yes I'm being snarky, but that "I'm so mature" bullshit just rubs me the wrong way.)

In my opinion, using mod powers to get the last insult in, is just bastard behaviour.

mathemachristian 33 points 2 months ago

PTB. I'm gonna admit rimu's crashout and meltdown has been quite the spectacle. And running roughshod in the lemmy.world threads knowing he can't do shit or reply back because he banned me without cause has been kinda fun (and probably is the reason he crossposted to a comm that's on less neutral grounds), just sucks it comes at the expense of all you fine folks.

And replying right before locking a thread to make sure one gets the last word is absolute pissbaby behaviour. These people actually think they're being "the adults", confounding.

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Tollana1234567 -4 points 2 months ago

i avoid politics.world so i dont get all those drama, which saves me the trouble from meeting these people, tankies love to fester on those communities.

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curbstickle 32 points 2 months ago

Clear PTB.

Also a nonsensical thread to start with, all conjecture (but calling it fact). I believe someone has misplaced their poop knife or other shit stirring tool, and its making posts.

Edit: To be clear, I'm talking about the lack of mod action on what is a pretty obvious shit stirring / drama farming post, but instead making an incredibly illogical and uninformed comment about it instead, then taking mod action on snark - while also throwing insults around.

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XLE -7 points 2 months ago

Curbstickle, it is not "all conjecture." The thread says it was an AI-assisted ban, and it is one.

People should also be aware that you have been advocating for the use of AI to ban people, a position that is so extreme that even the db0 moderators explicitly deny doing it.

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curbstickle 14 points 2 months ago

Oh, now you're just lying dude.

I said it makes sense to leverage them to summarize. I never said to use as an automod. Don't lie about what I said.

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XLE -6 points 2 months ago

I never claimed your in favor of automodding (curious lie to make up). Simply that you're in favor of using AI instead of your own eyes to review comments.

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curbstickle 13 points 2 months ago

Bullshit you just fucking did.

I said AI is handy to summarize. You said use it to moderate. Normally I'd just block someone like you, but I want to make sure I can report you when you lie again.

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mathemachristian 13 points 2 months ago

Nah that dude would have been bannerd regardless of an LLM, he's such a lying hasbarabot it's blatant. The LLM was being tested out, found lacking (and hence discarded) but in this one case produced output which closely matched what the admin had seen themself and so they just used that instead of writing it on their own.

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codexarcanum 30 points 2 months ago

That "shadow lock" thing sounds like a terrible feature. I'm so annoyed too because I posted a real tear of a rant at that one dude suggesting everyone read Proudhon. Buddy, I have got opinions on that kind of thing.

Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there's some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.

I've been on the net a very long time. I know what a Nazi infiltration looks like. It looks like the temperature on the board suddenly spiking, with huge arguments constantly breaking out that, somehow, magically, always start to turn towards topics that were "just asking questions" in ways to start etching and eroding the community standards. It starts by claiming everyone doing good moderation is a Zionist or a nazi, so they get kicked out and replaced by actual fascists.

I'm not worried about dbzer0 falling. I'm afraid that piefed already has. It did appear rather quickly, offering a slew of features to get folks off Lemmy. Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?

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db0 23 points 2 months ago

Well the good news is that your reply is still visible from our instance, so at least I get to enjoy it

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Ferrous 18 points 2 months ago

I'm not worried about dbzer0 falling. I'm afraid that piefed already has.

Piefed was created out of anti-communist ideology. It isn't very surprising to me how compatible that page is with crypto-fascism and zionism.

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null -10 points 2 months ago

Piefed was created out of anti-communist ideology.

It wasn't.

It isn’t very surprising to me how compatible that page is with crypto-fascism and zionism.

"Anyone who doesn't like communism is highly compatible with crypto-fascism and zionism"

I wish I could view the world with a mindset this simple. Everything would be so much easier.

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Diva 18 points 2 months ago

a stated goal of the lead developer was preventing 'tankies' from wanting to use the software by baking stuff in.

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eugenevdebs 10 points 2 months ago

Null is still insisting that's not the case, Null can't read I guess.

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null -10 points 2 months ago

I didn't know all communists were tankies, my bad.

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eugenevdebs 15 points 2 months ago

Its literally the explicit reason for it's creation, from the dev themselves.

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null -11 points 2 months ago

See the other thread already discussing how, no, it's not.

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ZombiFrancis 14 points 2 months ago

The developer of Piefed is at least comfortable with the MeanwhileOnGrad use of 'tankie'. That's the poster child community of calling anything left of Kissinger a tankie.

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Goferking0 15 points 2 months ago

I knew rimu was listening to goat and pugjeasus on mwog but didn't realize rimu was also posting there 🤮🤦

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eugenevdebs 13 points 2 months ago

MeanwhileOnGrad, where you're not allowed to say socialism is good but explicitly comfortable with Nazis

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eugenevdebs 11 points 2 months ago

Null also somehow can't click this link but said that there is no proof about Rimu

Wow I can't believe Rimu would delete the page, must be the only reason Null doesn't see it

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mathemachristian 12 points 2 months ago

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Goferking0 8 points 2 months ago

What's it flag radio free Asia or other articles spammed by a particular anti China poster? 🤔

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null -6 points 2 months ago

Cool picture!

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Ferrous 4 points 2 months ago

Historically, anti-communist movements suffered from from far right or fascist infiltration. The two go together like peas in a pod. It happened for the White Army, it happened for Mussolini's red threat, and it obviously happened in Germany via fear of bolshevism.

Don't be surprised if your anti communist page starts attracting right elements.

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Diva 12 points 2 months ago

I’m afraid that piefed already has.

I've been raising this for a while now, especially because the creator also routinely shows up on the comm where people regularly rant about wanting to be free from 'degenerate roaches' measurehead

(former lemmings.world admin plugging piefed as a place where you can be free of 'degenerates')

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eugenevdebs 8 points 2 months ago

And if you report comments that break goat's own rules, he'll never remove em because of who reported the comment.

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AzuranAurora 5 points 2 months ago

He also has no problem breaking said rules himself, and has straight up said that he doesn't care when I called him out on it. Massive double standards.

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Flatworm7591 5 points 2 months ago

That screenshot is gold.

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davel 5 points 2 months ago

I forgot about the time two months ago when Rimu hung out at the Nazi bar, and PJ convinced him that to dispute calling the 1932–33 famine a genocide is “genocide denial.”

For pj & goat, “genocide denial” is their favorite card to play, like it’s some magic spell.

I’ve never encountered rikudou@lemmings.world and have no idea what Rimu’s alt accounts are or were.

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Goferking0 6 points 2 months ago

https://sh.itjust.works/post/56010073/24018310

Weird how this isn't a redline when it involves what's happening now in Palestine 🤔🤔🤔

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davel 5 points 2 months ago

Real ones purpetuated by us: I sleep
Fake ones levied against our enemies: real shit

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Diva 5 points 2 months ago

yea

I’ve never encountered rikudou@lemmings.world and have no idea what Rimu’s alt accounts are or were.

to be clear i don't think rikudou is the same person; they were just the admin of lemmings.world who also quit rather ignominiously after talking a big game in that screenshot

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db0 6 points 2 months ago

This is the only person who stepped up to make a frontend for the fediseer and has seemingly given up on the threadiverse which left the fediseer gui unmaintained :(

And while I can stomach some uses of "degenerates" as it's moved into generate parlance, this specific use-case by rikudou is particularly problematic to me as it harkens to its original usage.

I really need to find a new fediseer GUI developer. One who's actually active...

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Cowbee 1 point a month ago

For added context, seems Lemmy.blahaj.zone and feddit.org both permabanned me entirely from their instances at around the same time, despite me not going on their communities at all (except maybe one or two comments months ago). I believe it's reasonable to assume that Rimu/PJ went to other instance admins about this, or instance admins on Feddit.org and Blahaj.zone decided to use out of context drama posting on a Nazi bar as a good judge of whether or not to permaban someone that doesn't even post or comment on their instances.

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MysticMushroom1776 10 points 2 months ago

Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?

Not at all. Also wouldn't surprise me if the people promoting piefed heavily weren't doing it organically.

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Tollana1234567 3 points 2 months ago

a state actor would likely spam propaganda as well, or spam alot of triggering posts. it would be quite obvious too.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 2 months ago

is that like a shadowban? but for specific instance, or a post?

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mathemachristian 9 points 2 months ago

No it's a mechanism that locks only a comment thread instead of the whole post, meaning no replies can be made to the locked comment or it's already existing replies. But the post itself can still be commented on, other comments can be replied to etc.

This feature will be in lemmy 1.0 (the next big release) but since the current lemmy version doesn't have it, a piefed instance can't tell a lemmy instance "hey no more replies to this comment please". So the commenters lemmy instance allows the reply, sends it to the piefed instance, the piefed instance silently rejects it (bc. of the lock) and doesn't send it to the other servers federating. Since the commenter cannot be notified that the comment got rejected they would not know about it unless they look for their comment on the piefed instance.

It's not a malicious feature, but a technical limitation. The point of this post however is that even if the feature worked as intended on both instances, a mod replying to someone disagreeing and immediately making it impossible to reply to them further is "power tripping bastard" behaviour.

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davel 3 points 2 months ago

It’s not a malicious feature, but a technical limitation.

Yes, and thank you for not assuming maliciousness at every turn.

a mod replying to someone disagreeing and immediately making it impossible to reply to them further is “power tripping bastard” behaviour.

:monkey-looking-away: Sometimes shitlibbery needs to be corrected without further “debate” on the matter.

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mathemachristian 7 points 2 months ago

That is correct, however in this case it was a mod writing a long ass comment before assessing the situation, telling people to read an old book without clarifying how it relates to the situation and calling the people "wannabe-anarchists". Then when the offended party gets upset about throws in a snarky one-liner before locking the thread. Which is distinct from telling some shitlib to put some effort into their research

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null -19 points 2 months ago

Yeah, definitely sounds spooky when you call it a "shadow lock" weilded by a conspiratorial cabal of zionazi-crypto-fascists.

I can only imagine it's exhausting to view everything through such an extremist lens.

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codexarcanum 17 points 2 months ago

I didnt suggest a "cabal", please don't put Nazi language in my mouth.

I was also called spooky, kook, paranoid, and other X-Files derived insults way back before Ed Snowden proved the US government (and others) actually were spying on everyone and actually had infiltrated or partnered with every major tech company and several standards committees to ensure that emerging communication tech would be susceptible to centralization, subversion, and espionage.

I'll consider it a badge of honor to be called an extremist when the alternative is naively wandering into a propaganda mill.

There have been multiple attempts recently to discredit our admins and justify unilateral defederation. That's weird. When we've talked about defederating in the past, a governance thread is opened, the case is presented, and we vote on it.

https://vger.to/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67198913

This isn't always true, we recently defederated from feddit.org through pure admin fiat, but an announcement thread was opened to explain why, and I never had the impression that the decision couldn't be questioned or debated if someone felt strongly about it.

Edit: my mistake, please see db0's correction.

And I'm not saying every instance must follow our rules or procedures, but db0 and the admins continue to impress me with how they run this ship and put into stark contrast how dictatorial and secretive the governance of most instances\forums is. I'm happy to not carry that responsibility, so I can act like a provocative extremist and try to shake people into thinking more critically.

I'm also not necessarily trying to claim that Piefed and it's instances are ops, I'm asking how would it look different if they were? Being guileless is not a protection against exploitation, quite the opposite in fact.

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db0 17 points 2 months ago

Here's the feddit.org voting thread https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

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null -11 points 2 months ago

Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?

A cabal is a group of people who are united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, a state, or another community, often by intrigue and usually without the knowledge of those who are outside their group.

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codexarcanum 12 points 2 months ago

Etymology

The term cabal is derived from Kabbalah (a word that has numerous spelling variations), the Jewish mystical interpretation of the Hebrew scripture (קַבָּלָה). In Hebrew, it means "received doctrine" or "tradition", while in European culture (Christian Cabala, Hermetic Qabalah) it became associated with occult doctrine or a secret.

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Flatworm7591 13 points 2 months ago

You're the only one stating that position dickwad.

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null -12 points 2 months ago

Did you read the comment I replied to, dipshit?

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Flatworm7591 16 points 2 months ago

Yes I actually did, and you conflated two completely separate claims into one. What the user you were replying to said was:

That “shadow lock” thing sounds like a terrible feature. [...]

And later...

Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.

And you came back with:

Yeah, definitely sounds spooky when you call it a “shadow lock” weilded by a conspiratorial cabal of zionazi-crypto-fascists.

Which is completely misrepresenting what the user was actually saying.

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Zahille7 28 points 2 months ago

And here I am, scrolling through Lemmy like normal when I'll randomly catch glimpses of apparent Lemmy drama like this.

I don't really understand what's going on or who's at fault, all I know is every time there's some kind of instance-vs-instance bullshit, everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else and I just think "fuck it, I don't have the mental capacity to focus on trying to completely pull myself away from the bullshit"

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db0 19 points 2 months ago

It's all good. Just grab the pop-corn and enjoy the fireworks :D

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XLE -9 points 2 months ago

Does your instance ban people based on the output of chatbots?
If yes to #1, do you require people who object to their bans to argue against the output of these chatbots?
Were you aware that the chatbot-generated ban reason contains quotes that do not exist? And if you were, did you ever say so?

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db0 12 points 2 months ago

No

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XLE -7 points 2 months ago

If you don't ban people for reasons generated by LLMs, why did you put the output of an LLM at the top of your reason for banning someone?

This makes question 3 even more pertinent.

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Aspis 28 points 2 months ago

Hi. Admin of Lemy.lol here.

This does not surprise me. When I joined the Lemy.lol team, I was informed that Rimu had pre-emptively defederated from us sometime ago due to our logo. Pepe the frog. His claim was that it was a symbol of alt-right hatred. There is a debate/discussion to be had around that, especially due to the fact the original creator vehemently stands against the bastardization of his creation, but Rimu refused to engage. His mind had been made up. This situation appears to be no different. He is searching for 'proof' to validate his claim of abuse by the administration team of Dbzer0. I suspect this extends from his similarly rabid reaction over the Lemmy.World admin abuse of Anarchist.nexus and its users.

Learning all of this, as well as his added tools to silence people critical of him, I find it both obscenely hypocritical and obscenely suspicious of his behavior here. This accusation appears to be some level of projection, more so than an actual rational conclusion. As we have all learned recently, people who frequently scream one specific conclusion are often guilty of helping come to this conclusion themselves.

Rimu has already been proven to be using a piefed feature to silence dissenting voices.

What else is he doing with Piefed?

Not merely a PTB, but a dangerous one. The developer of Piefed taking these stances deeply shakes all credibility of Piefed as a platform for myself. It appears to be a rebuilding of reddit from the ground up with Spez as its head. It is for this reason that I have fully recommended for Lemy.lol to not have a Piefed instance. Or, at the very least, not a basic piefed instance. We will gladly wait for a fork that has been sanitized.

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Salamence 7 points 2 months ago

I say he is building a worst reddit since he programmed social credit score into it

https://mander.xyz/post/46371251/24881755

Every user (remote or local) has an "attitude" which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your "attitude" is < 0.0 you can't downvote.

Every account has a Social Credit Score, aka your Reputation. If your account has less than 100 reputation and is newly created, you are not considered "trustworthy" and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your reputation is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can't create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low:

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diffaldo 6 points 2 months ago

It also violates basic compatibility with the fediverse. https://communick.news/comment/8015757

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ZombiFrancis 3 points 2 months ago

That's a painful comment thread to slog through. Usually technical concerns aren't so clearly demonstrated and explained, and the same mods just derail the topic with astoundingly selective comprehension, just sheer crazymaking.

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Goferking0 6 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure that's the reason rimu says you can only ask questions or make comments about the code in a specific comm.

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Goferking0 2 points 2 months ago

They ever do anything about that or stop adding in their own stuff to the protocol?

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Edie 3 points 2 months ago

ChooseAnswer still seems to be used

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Goferking0 3 points 2 months ago

Don't forget it tracks comment quality as well. So not only it you post memes but gifs or reddits favorite phrase this

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MysticMushroom1776 5 points 2 months ago

What does the code look for when deciding if something is low quality? And how do they decide if someone is posting memes specifically? It just feels like it could easily lead to false positives if he did it poorly (or even if he didn't)

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Goferking0 5 points 2 months ago

https://codeberg.org/...

Specific phrases rimu doesn't like, urls rimu doesn't like or if it's a meme.

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Grainne 22 points 2 months ago

Wow such petty behaviour from a '50 year old'. You would think @Libb@piefed.social would act more mature.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 2 months ago

that is the definition of chronically online, or parasocial behaviour. i followed some ytubers one time, and during the pandemic they changed politically and have these 50+year old grown ass woman(groupies of asian dudes) patrolling thier channel trying to stamp out criticism of the channel owners , whom they dont know personally, a channel geared towards 20-30s fangirls or incels. kinda similar.

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MysticMushroom1776 18 points 2 months ago

PTB, Rimu has been crashing out big time over this for a while and I don't see it ending well for him. This was all because I called him a Zionist, and I think I was correct because he immediately defended Zionists getting banned from dbzer0.

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Vicinus 18 points 2 months ago

As an added facit to this PTB discussion, it looks like Rimu deleted the .world post that had a negate score while keeping the piefed.social one up (which has a positive score).

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davel 15 points 2 months ago

Rimu didn’t delete it; a .world mod removed it (finally).

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Grainne 10 points 2 months ago

Same result, now Rimu can edit the database all he wants to delete critical posts without them going into the mod log.

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Goferking0 5 points 2 months ago

But didn't do anything about the other thread about it

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mrdown 10 points 2 months ago

I believe the world post was removed by the mod of the community

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Goferking0 3 points 2 months ago

Is it the same one hanging their ass out in this post or the one that was doing it in the piefed post 🤔

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Tollana1234567 5 points 2 months ago

do these people have control over the piefed instances ones like they do on lemmy. it is starting to make sense why the staments person account had a disagreement with some of the piefed people/admins, maybe it has something to do with allowing this to go on for so long.

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NOT_RICK 17 points 2 months ago

PTB. I’ve been annoyed with the Lemmy devs for their tankie bs and transphobia; it’s disappointing seeing the main Piefed dev get into stupid nonsense drama slapfights, especially when they’re indirectly carrying water for Zionist apologia

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fizzle 15 points 2 months ago

Rimu definitely pretty pathetic but this whole thing is pretty childish.

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mrdown 12 points 2 months ago

PTB . Those type of people think they are smart with their pretense of ignorance. The brauty of the block is that you can still see and comment on peoole theu block you

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Krusty 10 points 2 months ago

Discourse works much better when we stick to "I ..." statements rather than "you ..." statements.

Try speaking for oneself rather than labeling and defining and castigating others.

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Grimy 9 points 2 months ago

It's unhinged that he uses Samskara out of all people in his example. Just shows how well the tool is working, Samskara is one of the most blatant Zionists on Lemmy.

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Goferking0 8 points 2 months ago

Yes but according to lemmy.world admins we cannot be critical or report their comments. No matter how terrible they are

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curbstickle 8 points 2 months ago

Its been unlocked by null btw

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Grainne 8 points 2 months ago

The whole there’s locked now.

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curbstickle 9 points 2 months ago

Yeah, snoopy announced they would after null unlocked db0's comment.

Explains why the trash is meandering this way.

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Goferking0 3 points 2 months ago

Who's now in this thread also having a crash out and possible psychological break

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vagrancyand -6 points 2 months ago

Lets all be honest, PieFed was created solely in opposition to the political beliefs of Lemmy developers. Anyone closely related to those 'people,' is going to have some pretty far-right beliefs and behaviors. They just made a hugbox capable of doing what they need to to ensure complete ideological isolation.

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mrdown 0 points 2 months ago

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Pat_Riot -3 points 2 months ago

Ah, that explains all the women hate porn.

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NOT_RICK 9 points 2 months ago

On Piefed? Which instance?

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Pat_Riot -8 points 2 months ago

A very short browse through the NSFW listings was none of what I like and a bunch of stuff like women are things and worse.

I've yet to see anything of interest hit my Lemmy feed from piefed at all.

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Grainne 15 points 2 months ago

The porn instance has nothing to do with the main. It’s completely different people, like blaming the Lemmy devs for Maga.placemats

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XLE -18 points 2 months ago

So this is how I found out dbzero used an AI chatbot at least once to come up with reasons for why a person is banned. It forces people to debate the perceived "objectivity" of a chatbot, which apparently their admins trust even to use as evidence.

It would be ironic if Israel used the same technology to determine guilt for meting out judgment... Oh wait

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NOT_RICK 16 points 2 months ago

Comparing a ban on a social media site to what’s going on in Palestine is certainly a choice…

The tool directly links to things the banned user has stated. As long as the DB0 mods are reviewing the output for validity (I see no evidence they are not) I don’t see a problem.

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XLE -2 points 2 months ago

The AI generated text includes quotes that do not exist. I don't see any evidence the moderators are aware of this fact. If they knew but haven't made it clear, that is a moderator deficiency. If they didn't knew, that is a far worse deficiency.

I believe the right call was made here, but the wrong tools were used to make it. A coin toss might have also yielded the correct result. My concern is that future moderation decisions could be both sloppy and incorrect because AI cannot parse meaning.

(AI is used to decide to kill who to kill in Palestine. I hope this is not an offensive fact, nor that you are implying it should be unspoken until some future time you deem appropriate.)

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curbstickle 11 points 2 months ago

Every single linked comment works for me - can you provide an example?

Every comment I checked (there are links) works, and every comment I check exists. And matches whats in the summary.

Which quote does not exist? You keep saying they don't, but not saying which.

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XLE 3 points 2 months ago

Emphasis is important here: The AI generated text includes quotes that do not exist.

If you see links, you are no longer in the AI-generated text, but rather in an apparently non-curated comment dump.

For example, surely this is not evidence that the ban is justified... I hope:

Date: 2026-04-17T13:51:01.747786Z
Comment ID: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/24890311
Post ID: 591643
Community ID: 351

When the Molly hits just right.

You can argue that the quotes are close enough, but that's not what quotes are for. And I believe the ban is justified, but it's very concerning to see how they reach that justification.

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NOT_RICK 10 points 2 months ago

I’m not seeing any fabricated quotes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are. So long as this is just used as a summary tool and at least some of the posts are vetted I still don’t see a problem.

I am aware how Israel uses ML in their military, I’m just saying I think it’s hyperbole comparing banning someone from a website (negligible harm) with someone getting murdered by a state actor. I also don’t find it ironic that DB0 is using them, ML/AI are just tools. If Israel builds bombs with an arc welder does any use of welding machines make someone a hypocrite for criticizing Israel making bombs? Forgive the crude analogy, it’s the best I can come up with while I’m half paying attention to a meeting.

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Grainne 9 points 2 months ago

And it includes quotes that do exist and links to them.

Which is why the human who looks at those results can are what’s real and what isn’t and ban someone.

Bot summary

- Statements that “they’re killing children” is mere outrage propaganda

Bot found post:

Is a common propaganda technique to induce outrage. Even if it was a 17 year old terrorist.

Young adults are not children.

Bot linked post

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/24309248

Actual Post

Is a common propaganda technique to induce outrage. Even if it was a 17 year old terrorist.

Young adults are not children.

The AI identified this disgusting comments and linked to the original source. You are deliberately cherry picking nothingburgers to try and pretend it’s useless.

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XLE -9 points 2 months ago

They can, but the moderator responsible for the AI summary has been evasive about whether they did.

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

Posting Guidelines

All posts should follow this basic structure:

Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.

Rules

Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
Don’t use private communications to prove your point. We can’t verify them and they can be faked easily.
Don’t deobfuscate mod names from the modlog with admin powers.
Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
You can post about power trippin’ in any social media, not just lemmy. Feel free to post about reddit or a forum etc.
If you are the accused PTB, while you are welcome to respond, please do so within the relevant post.
Keep the comments in YPTB posts about the moderation action itself, not about the general topic in which the moderation took place.

Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.

Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.

YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.

Some acronyms you might see.

PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
YDM new - You Deserved More: The commenter thinks you got off too lightly.
BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
CLM - Clueless Mod: The mod probably just doesn't understand how their software works.

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yepowertrippinbastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

Posting Guidelines

All posts should follow this basic structure:

Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.

Rules

Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
Don’t use private communications to prove your point. We can’t verify them and they can be faked easily.
Don’t deobfuscate mod names from the modlog with admin powers.
Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
You can post about power trippin’ in any social media, not just lemmy. Feel free to post about reddit or a forum etc.
If you are the accused PTB, while you are welcome to respond, please do so within the relevant post.
Keep the comments in YPTB posts about the moderation action itself, not about the general topic in which the moderation took place.

Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.

Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.

YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.

Some acronyms you might see.

PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
YDM new - You Deserved More: The commenter thinks you got off too lightly.
BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
CLM - Clueless Mod: The mod probably just doesn't understand how their software works.

Relevant comms

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