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harmonicarichard 3 points 3 years ago

I have three invites. I haven't been begged for them.

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Raincloud 2 points 3 years ago

Eh. Still gonna give it a try like I did Hive and then it died within a week. (I.e. literally unavailable for weeks). But I'm gonna take the opportunity to think a lot about which spaces and communities we want to build

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ozoned 2 points 3 years ago

Sad. Fediverse and decentralization, REAL decentralization not the crypto bull that Jack is pushing, is the only way imo. I found mastodon confusing at first, but that was like 5 years ago when I first got on. They need to explain it as email. Pick an email server, you can see everyone. I know I'll be on Fediverse, just hope it grows big enough that it kind of forces companies to look at it and maybe even force Bluesky to become compatible with ActivityPub.

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SubArcticTundra 1 point 3 years ago

I actually think that even a federated model is too centralised, because it still has servers as weak points. Imho a model where users host part of their and others' content on the devices they use for viewing would be best. Something along the lines of Gun.js

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argv_minus_one 2 points 3 years ago

Problem: most people post using their phones, and actually hosting the content on their phones would murder battery life.

Edit: Also overrun data caps and anger cell phone companies.

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SubArcticTundra 3 points 3 years ago

The battery life thing is actually a really good point, didn't think about that. Another step towards decentralisation would be using P2P mesh networking between individual phones instead of 4G for data, and I guess that might avoid centralised cell companies all together...

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argv_minus_one 2 points 3 years ago

That has a seemingly intractable chicken-and-egg problem. It only works if everyone is using it, and everyone won't start using it until it starts working.

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ozoned 1 point 3 years ago

So more torrent kind of system. Definitely a unique idea, but wouldn't the amount of data become unmanageable? Definitely feel like I've seen similar things around this before.

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Zmezmer 1 point 3 years ago

Is Bluesky any different than Twitter?

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GadgeteerZA 3 points 3 years ago

Yes it uses the AT protocol and allows for additional decentralised servers. Supposedly, profiles will transfer OK. But right now only the single server, and for now Bluesky is controlling the protocol development.

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Zmezmer 2 points 3 years ago

Profile transfer sounds good. Losing your profile because a server goes down sucks.

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0x815 1 point 3 years ago

Jack I-regret-what-I-have-done-but-this-time-I-will-not-screw-you-up-!-pinky-swear Dorsey knows how to create artificial scarcity and the hype around it.

Edit for an addition: Just stumbled upon this thread here on Lemmy.

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peteriskrisjanis 0 points 3 years ago

@0x815 @hedge but people fall for it themselves. I mean, they know all facts there.

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0x815 0 points 3 years ago

Yes, obviously, but I don't understand why tbh.

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peteriskrisjanis 0 points 3 years ago

@0x815 comfort of group think. For most people, ease of use is what draws them to social networking. Federation is something they don't grasp that easily, and they don't understand danger of concentrating power on one platform.
I still think it is great Fediverse is here and evolves. It won't attract huge numbers of users, but it might not need to to keep going.

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wiredfire 1 point 3 years ago

I still think it is great Fediverse is here and evolves. It won’t attract huge numbers of users, but it might not need to to keep going.

It definitely doesn’t need huge numbers. It was ticking along very happily for a good few years before Twitter had a seizure and set fire to itself. It’s fantastic that the fediverse has grown, but unlike purely commercial platforms it can exist at a rate to serve the community on it and need be nothing more. No chasing the spectre of infinite growth, no appeasing shareholders, just community-good for community-good’s sake. Which is rather lovely.

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YuzuDrink 1 point 3 years ago

I work in software and tech, and it took me a little while to wrap my head around fedicerse stuff; and I still get some blank stares when trying to explain it to others. It’s a bit of work even to build up a good set of follows, and even to pick where to park your account; whereas something like Twitter (and I guess Bluesky) gives you immediate access to everyone saying stuff on the platform.

I think once Mastodon and other services hit a kind of critical mass, it won’t matter as much, as all the interesting celebs and official accounts will already be federated to most servers. But even now it seems like you have to take a more active role in building out your home screen

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0x815 0 points 3 years ago

I have been discussing this with friends for a while. Ease of use is a thing, but what is so complicated, for example, with using Mastodon over Twitter and XMPP over Whatsapp? The UI is different and you need to choose a client and so, but "ease of use"? They are all easy enough imo.

But I fully agree that people don't understand the danger of a centralized power and the social consequences it has.

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argv_minus_one 1 point 3 years ago

Why would they want to use the semi-proprietary Bluesky when the not-at-all-proprietary Mastodon exists?

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sexy_peach 0 points 3 years ago

Lmao the hype will be over once they open up registrations.

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gingerrich 0 points 3 years ago

It reminds me of when Gmail first came about and was invite only. Lots of posing online that people had a Gmail address and that somehow made them super special.

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jherazob 0 points 3 years ago

They did the same with Google plus, didn't work out that well

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thegiddystitcher 3 points 3 years ago

Obligatory RIP G+

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