Tribalism is helluva drug
Quill7513 8 points 22 days ago
Do you mind to explain the truth nuke contained in this post, because I think I'm a little lost. When I cast my critical gaze at this here's what I see:
- A strawman construction of a liberal
- "I have depicted you as the enraged soyjack therefor I have won"
- A position that is not in alignment of the liberals I encounter (demand all genocides match the world's first industrial genocide in Germany 80 years ago, not at all aware of what a Uiyghur is, unfamiliar with the term "Holodomor")
- A seeming form of genocide denial when it comes to the ethnic cleansing occuring in the gobi desert and a man-made famine (I'm somewhat willing to hear discussions about whether or not the holodomor was the result of active ethnic cleansing or of the asymmetrical information sharing that occurs in authoritarian regimes given Stalin's advisors' fear of him, however denials that it happened and was the result of policy positions are out of touch with reality)
- A poster who frequently refers to what you refer to as "the fraternal war between Russia and Ukraine, triggered by Russian aggression" as "Liberation" with the alleged liberating army being the Russian Armed Forces
We've been getting along better of late after a friend let me know you had amended some of how you were treating fascists and anarchists, so I'm positive I must just be missing something because my understanding hews much more closely to @Pajonk@szmer.info 's interpretation that we as socialists of many flavors is to resist all genocides, not matter who the victims or the perpetrators are, be those victims Palestinian, Latin American, or Sudanese, or those perpetrators the united states, ruzzia, or the modern hypercapitalist china
eugenevdebs 4 points 13 days ago
8 days later and she didn't come up with anything. Might be because she knows she has nothing to back her claims up.
Quill7513 2 points 13 days ago
I'll give @alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com the benefit of the doubt. We had a disagreement of interpretation similar to this two months ago that I never followed up on because after I finished recovering from RSV I just didn't have the energy to go over it anymore. I also believe based on recent posts that she's really been going through it. I do not wish to change your mind, your mind is yours to use as you see fit. That's just the approach I'm taking here.
I still fundamentally find there to be something concerning about what seems to me to be a fascist user getting gas like this in a leftist space, but I have to take it on faith best I can that other admins and moderators on DBZer0 believe that she is acting in good faith. Given this I will either continue to wait patiently while I work on growing !spoonbreadtube@slrpnk.net or accept that this is a fundamental disagreement with no resolution that I'll have to bear in mind in future interactions within DBZer0 spaces.
eugenevdebs 2 points 11 days ago
11 days later and "I might still reply, I dunno..."
Apparently I'm an asshole to "other socialists" for not allowing bad faith, transphobia, and rule breaking.
What a shock that the person who thinks we need to be kinder to the states that killed anarchists, thinks insulting the people who killed anarchists (and are dead btw) is rude.
eugenevdebs 1 point a day ago
A month later and she still hasn't, but has time to share memes from 4chan and remove people who think Stalin wasn't a god among men.
I don't think she has a responce. Or if she does, she'll just remove you when you disagree.
alsaaas 0 points 13 days ago
Sorry that I don't always have the mental capacity for random internet forums and actually have a life with a lot of problems, which take precedence.
It's also not my job to always educate and correct others or to justify myself. That is done out of being able put energy into doing good faith discussion with others and being kind.
Also thanks for your bad faith interpretation of my silence. You seem to have become more and more of an asshole towards other socialists these last few months...
theywilleatthestars 15 points 24 days ago
That's your objection?
lulungomeena_burbclave 8 points 24 days ago
Well, there is genocide in Gaza. Why do you object to people saying so?
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0.5 [Provisional Rule] Try to use alt text or image descriptions to allow for greater accessibility
(Please take a look at our wiki page for the guidelines on how to actually write alternative text!)
We encourage alternative text (from now referred to as "alt text") to be added to all posts/comments containing media, such as images, animated GIFs, videos, audio files, and custom emojis.
EDIT: For files you share in the comments, a simple summary should be enough if they’re too complex.
We are committed to social equity and to reducing barriers of entry, including (digital) communication and culture. It takes each of us only a few moments to make a whole world of content (more) accessible to a bunch of folks.
When alt text is absent, a reminder will be issued. If you don't add the missing alt text within 48 hours, the post will be removed. No hard feelings.
0.5.1 Style tip about abbreviations and short forms
When writing stuff like "lol" and "iirc", it's a good idea to try and replace those with their all caps counterpart
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- af = AF
- ok => OK
- lol => LOL
- bc => BC
- bs => BS
- iirc => IIRC
- cia => CIA
- nato => Nato (you don't spell it when talking, right?)
- usa => USA
- prc => PRC
- etc.
Why? Because otherwise (AFAIK), screen readers will try to read them out as actually words instead of spelling them
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such
That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" (read: Dengists) (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
6. Don't irrationally idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
- Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
- Ableism
- Classism
- Sexual assault
- Genocide/ethnic cleansing or (mass) deportations
- Fascism
- (National) chauvinism
- Orientalism
- Colonialism or Imperialism (and their neo- counterparts)
- Zionism
- Religious fundamentalism of any kind
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Yes, both situations is genocide, and we should speak as laud as possible of it. So no one will forget, and the memory of killed culture will stay with us.
What happened to people of Palestine, Ukraine, Uyghur, and many others, we must remember about them.
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