Companies now block older browser versions from accessing their websites!

15 days ago by MadeInDex 📰🌎 to c/privacy

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/47871545

🌐 Many companies now block older browser versions from accessing their websites!

This follows many browser makers ending updates 4 older operating systems, leaving legacy devices unable to use web services without an OS upgrade.

This kinda reminds me of the Java website block by browsers a few years ago, just in reverse. (Revenge? ;)

Old Android versions are also increasingly blocked from accessing the Google appstore.

Truly about security or perhaps Planned Obsolescence?

Update: "old devices can only use old os > old os can only use old browser > old browser cannot use web> poor uneducated people = screwed once again!"

"Only suggesting corporate browsers, kinda like an ad."

Courantdair 90 points 15 days ago

Yep, my father in law got locked out of his bank because of this. He has a Chromebook so he couldn't upgrade anymore, he thought he had to change his computer but fortunately Linux will never be obsolete so I just migrated him to freedom.

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madeindex 39 points 15 days ago

10/10 in law support <3

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Courantdair 31 points 15 days ago

I had the bad idea to study computer science so I'm basically the computer (and unfortunately printer) "specialist" of the whole in-law family. Yay

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RodgeGrabTheCat 23 points 15 days ago

This happens to many of us without a degree. lol

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pdxfed 2 points 15 days ago

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Solumbran 57 points 15 days ago

It's been like that for years if not decades though.

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madeindex 4 points 15 days ago

Not doubting that, however it's the first time I have encountered it at this level, and I have used kinda retro devices to surf the web at times ;)

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cypherpunks 1 point 13 days ago

Companies now block older browser versions

Now? This has been happening since the dawn of the web. At least the screenshot you pasted represents all of the big three rendering engines - it used to be common to see "Internet Explorer version XYZ required", sometimes with javascript to prevent you from using the site with any other browser (even if in some cases it would actually work fine if you simply spoofed your user agent string).

I have used kinda retro devices to surf the web at times

Most websites became HTTPS-only sometime after the snowden disclosures in 2013.

Over time old versions of TLS have been deprecated and eventually support for them is dropped from browsers and web servers alike. So, a browser from even 15 years ago literally cannot connect to most webservers today.

Planned obsolescence is terrible but it's a minor factor here: it's actually dangerous to use even (especially?) a slightly-out-of-date web browser because every new release fixes vulnerabilities which can be exploited to run malicious code on your computer. The planned obsolescence which prevents people from being able to have an up-to-date browser comes mostly from proprietary operating system vendors; to have up-to-date software while continuing to use somewhat older computers you need to use free/libre software.

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whyNotSquirrel 1 point 15 days ago

I still have trauma from "IE6 support" in specifications

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FriendOfDeSoto 27 points 15 days ago

I think this is not a clean cut case of evil planned obsolescence. There are valid security concerns, as browsers are a common attack vector. You should get that updated, also to protect your privacy while surfing online. So for a banking site or similar, I kind of get it. (I recognize there is a possible conundrum when people can't go bank in person because the bank no longer has branches and/or get excluded by their old hardware/economic reasons from doing it online. Should they be able to choose risking it if the bank knows about a flaw they then leave exposed? Shit's complicated.)

That being said I'm sure this banner of corporate concern was not primarily motivated by the security and privacy of their users.

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madeindex 8 points 15 days ago

Yeah if it was just the login page of a bank or something it would make sense, but these are all kind of websites, blocking complete access for no reason. They could put a warning instead "Use at your own risk" if they wanted and not just tell people to get corp browsers "CHROME EDGE FIREFOX SAFARI OPERA" ;)

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FriendOfDeSoto 4 points 15 days ago

Even for a non-bank website, I imagine there is an octogenarian federal judge somewhere in the States who is still puzzled by fax machines who made a ruling holding website owners liable if they didn't do this when they know of any vulnerability that could affect the user. So there is a possible legal angle as well.

The people who use browsers other than the ones listed will either never see this message or know how to upgrade on their own.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 14 days ago

I imagine there is an octogenarian federal judge somewhere in the States who is still puzzled by fax machines

I know one in the ninth circuit and three in the fifth who this applies to, so don't imagine too hard just pull up their org chart

made a ruling holding website owners liable if they didn't do this when they know of any vulnerability that could affect the user.

Now this one I haven't explicitly seen, but I think you do have to do it for banks and other financial websites per statute/regulation (probably reg, but it's the government you never know). Not my area of law, just know that banks have a lot of bullshit regulations that were at some point consumer protection oriented.

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davici 2 points 15 days ago

A Use at your own risk disclaimer leads to a significant increase in support tickets or negative customer perceptions. Being able to use ES6/ESnext features in your javascript codebase is really nice.

I'm not a fan of this being the current reality but much prefer this putting up this type of disclaimer over having to support internet explorer or safari.

In an ideal world there would be no need for any of this but consumers consistently choose for whatever is easiest for them in the moment and it leads to negative outcomes for al of us.

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CannonFodder 17 points 15 days ago

Older browsers don't support features that the pages are coded with. This could be security or just layout issues. It's difficult to support older browsers, or just the volume of browsers x versions. So it's reasonable to limit the test space. And it's usually easy for users to upgrade.

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FineCoatMummy 3 points 15 days ago

I think you're right, to a degree. But I'd argue it like this. Most of the time, those new web features enshittify and enbloatify everything and we'd all be better off without them. Most web page are stupidly bloated. Could be like 1% as big. They could provide the same info and be way less annoying. That would also make it trivial to support very old browsers.

I make web sites for my friends and family. I don't even use a builder! Just raw dog html/js/css. No prob to have videos, pictures, whatever they want there. They work on very old browsers, b/c they are lean and mean. Zero enshittification.

Wasn't there a guy recently who looked at a modern news site and figured out that the page was bigger than Windows 95? A single news page load, bigger than a whole ass OS from a few decades ago. If sites didn't do shit like that, they could easily support super old browsers like, IDK.... probably even Lynx.

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NathanUp 16 points 14 days ago

I built a webapp for work, and when a new PR firm / subcontractor entered the picture, they complained that it didn't work. I spent hours pulling my hair out until I figured out that they were using a seven year old version of Safari. Apparently, their laptops stopped receiving system updates from apple, and you can't upgrade safari alone. As someone who has never used an Apple computer, this blew my mind.

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Tenderizer78 8 points 15 days ago

This follows many browser makers ending updates 4 older operating systems, leaving legacy devices unable to use web services without an OS upgrade.

Or, without switching browser which is the far easier approach. Firefox tends to keep updating for the longest.

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DieserTypMatthias 7 points 15 days ago

It's mostly age verification services. Some Lithuanian service blocked me this way when I tried to sign up for a Wise account.

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orca 6 points 15 days ago

I have an old iPad Mini that is long outside the support deadline for Apple. It’s using AltStore instead now, but when I tried to install a patched version of Spotify, the app and even the web app, completely blocked both the OS version and the WebKit version. I can’t even use the web version of Apple Music on it. The amount of artificial locks these companies use is annoying as fuck.

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helix 5 points 13 days ago

How is this related to privacy, as you posted it in the privacy community?

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liverstealer 1 point 9 days ago

What sub do you think it should go in?

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helix 1 point 9 days ago

idk, webdesign? Retro computing? Capitalism?

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points 14 days ago

This is not new. I had to get rid of my last switch because it didn't have a modern ssl protocol and I couldn't log in anymore. All of the internet browsers i have tried just threw errors.

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IratePirate 3 points 14 days ago

No more Netscape Navigator for me I guess. 🥲

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Neptr 3 points 14 days ago

The method by which they check if your browser is "out-of-date" is not always/usually a simple version check. They check for browser features such as JS, WebGL, WASM, etc.

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ScoffingLizard 2 points 3 days ago

Probably part of the plan to to take all the hardware for data centers, make it more expensive to buy, and force everyone to rent services from their servers rather than own a computer.

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madeindex 1 point 5 hours ago

The cloud is so totally "FREE", you have to give up just lil bit of "FREEdom"

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python 0 points 15 days ago

I don't think it's entirely nefarious. I work as a web developer and new browser versions bring new features. I'd like to use those new features at some point without worrying about having to support super old browsers. An example would be the introduction of the OKLCH color system. That system is so much nicer than rgb as it allows calculating very accessible colors, but the whole system was only invented around 2020 and widely supported since 2023, so now's about the time that devs are starting to use it without feeling too bad about older browsers.
Or Javascript's new Object.groupBy function!! It's so neat! But it was only widely adapted in 2024 so I'm not using it in production yet.

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TrickDacy 0 points 15 days ago

I would more so think it's a privacy issue to use older browsers. At least compared with the modern privacy-focused ones.

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