So, you think that you have to be pro Hamas if you are pro Palestine?
tabarnaski -29 points 4 months ago
Athena5898 20 points 4 months ago
Yes I believe to support a people you have to side with the defenders against the genocidal colonist ethnic cleansing. As someone said, If Hamas was wiped out and Israel killed my entire family and I was the sole survivor I would probably make "Hamas" 2.
Though of course this framing ignores the complexity that had existed among the different groups fighting for their lives again Israel who you know, uses dogs to rape prisoners, have sniper shot children in the head, and have rigged food cans to explode. Sadly though I'm not sure how many different groups exist anymore cause communication has been limited... You know because of the horrible devastation to the point we are not sure if some level of nuclear weapon has been used. Regardless of what has been used it has been hot enough to obliterate the bones of people in the center of the blasts.
You'll have to look elsewhere for someone to baulk at a question like that. I've been paying attention and reposting news on Palestine since it started. It's only the last few months because of my surgery I haven't been able to keep up as much. But from today it seems they are entering a new cycle of settlers taking over the land that was cleared.
The question isn't do you support Hamas. It SHOULD be do you support Israel? If Israel wasn't doing a genocide there would be no Hamas.
AntiOutsideAktion 15 points 4 months ago
The news calls any resistance Hamas so very literally yes if you don't support Hamas you don't support Palestine.
mathemachristian 14 points 4 months ago
Whatever you have been told about Hamas is almost certainly false. Zionists lie all the time and they conjured Hamas into a such a ridiculous boogeyman to scare the populace into compliance that when you compare the "Hamas" the israelis believe in and Hamas the way they are you begin to wonder where they even came up with this stuff. It's not just really far away from reality, it's complete fiction. Made up. Not even based on anything that has happened. Like usually with this kind of propaganda there is some story or kernel of truth that got blown up, distorted, twisted and ripped out of context, but with Hamas it's just straight fiction and atrocity porn.
mathemachristian 2 points 4 months ago
Yes!! And Ansarallah!
tabarnaski -5 points 4 months ago
I e been told they attacked innocent people on October 3rd 2023, was that made up?
mathemachristian 7 points 4 months ago
That accusation could not be more vague lol. I assume you mean october 7 and counter with that the IOF also killed a lot of "innocents" on that day. Probably more, they were firing indiscriminately at all the cars going towards gaza. They ordered helicopters to just empty their ammo by the hannibal doctrine. I mean it's a war, not a war the palestinians started mind you, they're the defensive party. Whatever death occurs is first to be blamed on the zionists who instigated it and who are keeping the native population in concentration camps and ghettos. Whatever mistakes hamas may have made, you have to weigh against what pissrael does. And since hamas is the only movement resisting the genocide it's that or no resistance at all. Who would you rather see prevail hamas or the IOF?
AlHouthi4President 12 points 4 months ago path: 0 24211310 24212126 24215312, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 0
geneva_convenience 12 points 4 months ago
Yes
Bloomcole 11 points 4 months ago
There clearly are no red lines for the americans to even begin questioning their fanatic campism.
Blue MAGA can, and do scrape the bottom of the barrel and libs will still be cheerleading for this massive turd.
00xide -6 points 4 months ago
I'm not saying Platner's a comrade. I disagree starkly with him politically. Also, his platform would be materially better than Susan "photo ops with white supremacist militias" Collins.
To make a food analogy: I like a turkey Reuben. Platner is a McDonald's dollar-menu burger that's been sitting in the sun all day. Collins is a can of indoor-use DDT pesticide from the '50s.
Neither is what I want to eat, but I only get two choices and I'm gonna be forced to eat one of them. I'm gonna choose the one that's less likely to immediately harm me.
Jentu 12 points 4 months ago
So long as you’re depending on other people preparing food for you, you’re going to eat the most palatable thing available even if it’s bad. Even if it’s labeled much more appetizing than it ends up tasting. This isn’t even mentioning the fact that, while annoying for you personally to have to pick something you don’t want, it is a decision that has terrible and near irrevocable harm to the global south.
Theres a whole group of people learning how to cook for themselves and teaching others to cook as well. If you don’t like what’s being served, don’t keep going to the restaurant serving DDT pesticides and McDonald’s burgers.
00xide -1 points 4 months ago
****Brother I am, the camdidates I wanted didn't come in first in ranked choice. Volunteering, protesting, didn't win out. Thankfully, we at least have ranked choice.
What am I supposed to do, not vote? Like theres only two people who are realistic to win. I'm gonna puty first choice on a leftist party, but we all understand the mathematical reality of American electoralism mandates two parties and that capitalism has corrupted both.
Platner is likely to be less harmful to the global south. I'm trying to change restaurants, but renouncing citizenship and leaving is easier said than done. Paperwork takes time.
mathemachristian 7 points 4 months ago
What am I supposed to do, not vote?
a) yes, but more importantly
b) organize with local socialist organisations, read theory, meet people in a political space and start doing something.
00xide 2 points 4 months ago
I'm (genuinely, curiously) interested in the logic for not voting at all.
As I see it, mathematically speaking, my vote is counted either way. The election outcome not being influenced by my lack of vote is effectively giving half my vote to each candidate, for a net zero.
As I see it, given it's going to be counted either way, I'd rather it be counted for the candidate closer to my preferences.
Comrade, what would you recommend I do with that 45 minutes on a workday other than vote?
Jentu 6 points 4 months ago
“I keep going to this same restaurant, so realistically all I’m ever going to eat is what they have on the menu”
Go organize. This isn’t the same as joining an angry parade. Talk to your local PSL. Standing outside the restaurant telling them to make better food won’t work since theirs is the only restaurant in town.
I’m not saying not to vote, but I’m also trying to get you to understand that getting stuck in the situation where you feel like voting is your only option doesn’t change the system at all- it changes yourself. Over time, it erodes your values until you are what you would’ve detested 20 years ago. One day, you’ll develop a liking for DDT pesticides because the alternative is nuclear waste.
You’re only forced to vote for the nazi because you would rather do that than organize for an alternative system.
I’m trying to change restaurants, but renouncing citizenship and leaving is easier said than done.
I'm not telling you to change restaurants. Other restaurants likely have the same issues you want to leave this one for. I'm telling you to be the restaurant. And just to be doubly clear, I'm not telling you to run for office. I don't want you to be an option for other people to pick from. I want you to work with an international community of chefs to build the best fuckin sandwich we've ever had.
00xide 1 point 4 months ago
At no point did I say I'm not engaging in organization. I do, and I think i do so quite effectively. I will also vote for Platner, because the alternative is to effectively vote for both Platner and Collins. My vote will be counted either way, mathematically speaking.
geneva_convenience 19 points 4 months ago
Thank you, I had in fact not yet considered that Kamala Harris is not Donald Trump.
Athena5898 13 points 4 months ago
Liberals are by their very nature are not pragmatic. If they were this issue wouldn't exist in the first place. Hell you can take it a step further and say if y'all were pragmatic then you would be with the rest of us for the need to abolish the system cause no way we are voting ourselves out of this. They just don't care enough about the theater anymore.
geneva_convenience 29 points 4 months ago
What is there to post? Hamas already released all the Israeli captives because of people like Platner screeching at them. Then Israel continued genociding Palestinians.
Is Platner advocating for a full ban on US weapons to Israel? (hint: no)
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The war Nazi isn't pro Palestine? I'm shock I tell you. Next you'll tell me Nazis are actually anti socialist!
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