Since Taiwan is just a vassal state.....

9 days ago by DeathToZionazis"m" to c/memes

cattywampus 13 points 9 days ago
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UnderpantsWeevil 19 points 9 days ago

Quality of life in Tibet improved enormously under Chinese rule. LIfe expectancies rose from 37 to 78. Literacy jumped from the low 30%s to the mid 70%s. Tibetan lay residents owned their own homes for the first time in their nation's history. The region's economy expanded rapidly as did the population, thanks to modernizations in transportation, agriculture, and health care.

Meanwhile, with the colonial status of Hong Kong at an end and the city incorporated into the general Chinese economy, neighboring Shenzhen has enjoyed a similar economic boom. Residents can move freely into and out of the SEZ in a way they couldn't under English occupation, they use a common currency rather than relying on conversions to and from British pounds, and they are free from British home rule. Most importantly, the residents are subject to the same taxation and civil rights afforded to the rest of the country - bringing an end to such labor atrocities as the 996 system, tax avoidance, and ecological crimes like illegal fishing and dumping.

Given the nightmarish wave of fascist policies currently spilling over the UK, I cannot imagine why anyone would envy living on the other side of the planet while being subjected to a Tommy Robinson inspired government.

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CriticalThought 6 points 9 days ago

So colonialism is good and just if accompanied by an improved quality of life?

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UnderpantsWeevil -5 points 9 days ago

The overthrow of Tibetan theocracy by Tibetan revolutionary marxists with the aid of Chinese Maoists saved millions of Tibetan lives and transformed life in the country for the better.

American efforts to reimpose a feudal artistocracy through armed insurrection backed by Western intelligence services would do to Tibet what Operation Cyclone did to Afghanistan.

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Starik 1 point 9 days ago

Maybe Taiwanese people don’t want to lose their ability to speak freely about their government without being disappeared, as happens in the totalitarian dystopia that is China.

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UnderpantsWeevil 0 points 8 days ago

Taiwan emerged from the Civil War as a brutal totalitarian dictatorship. And it continues to impose a fascist police state on its citizens - particularly the islander natives who got subjugated by the Qing Dynasty, the Japanese empire, and the Christian Nationalist KMT in rapid succession.

Their police are slightly below Singapore's when it comes to stocastic violence

When the seventeen-year-old refused to provide further details on the photo, leading to concerns that the photo may have been leaked online, police attacked and tortured him in anger. This led to three officers torturing him using a club, a taser, and a metal box used for ink stamps. When the first taser used ran out of power, police retrieved another taser to be used.

The torture took place for over an hour, while the youth was detained for seven to eight hours. Police only released the youth the next day at 5 AM, returning his phone. Although police have apologized for the incident, they largely have not denied that the torture took place.

The second incident involved police beating to death a man accused of scooter theft. The incident reportedly occurred with a man being struck by a baton with enough force that it ruptured his pancreas.

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Starik 3 points 8 days ago

Taiwan is ranked #14 out of 165 counties on the Human Feedom Index (above the US!). China is ranked #149.

Were I Taiwanese, I think I would rather stick with what I’ve got, and not be colonized.

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shawn1122 -2 points 9 days ago
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AntiOutsideAktion 19 points 9 days ago

The problem with this argument is that it assumes Chinese imperialism was necessary to defeudalize Tibet

You failed to consider my mind palace, fool! I can imagine things going better! The perfect IS the enemy of good, but only in hindsight!

We defeudalized you so now we get to forcibly assimilate you / erase your culture is wildly unacceptable by any measure.

You thought my mind palace only had one weapon? Fool! I can invent reality wholecloth!

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QinShiHuangsShlong 16 points 9 days ago

You start your argument with a misuse of the term “imperialism.” Imperialism does not simply mean “a state intervening in a region.” In the modern political-economic sense developed by Hobson and Lenin, it refers to the outward expansion of advanced capitalist powers, driven by monopoly interests, finance capital, capital export, military coercion, and the subordination of peripheral economies for the extraction of superprofits. Calling the PLA’s entry into Tibet “Chinese imperialism” simply flattens a specific historical category into a generic moral label that explains nothing if value and holds little analytical meaning.

You also treat Tibet as if it were an external colony comparable to India under Britain or Algeria under France. That simply does not hold historically. Tibet was incorporated into the Yuan state in the 13th century and remained, through changing forms of rule and varying degrees of central control, within the historical framework of the Chinese state. You can dispute the details of that history, but treating the PLA’s entry as a straightforward case of foreign colonial annexation is not serious analysis.

You also erase Tibetan class divisions. You treat the old Tibetan ruling strata as “the Tibetan people” while ignoring serfs, slaves, poor peasants, lower clergy, and pro-unification Tibetan figures. The old order was not a democratic national community. It was a theocratic-feudal system dominated by aristocrats, officials, and upper-ranking monastery authorities. Serfs and slaves made up the overwhelming majority of the population, while land, political authority, and legal power were concentrated in the hands of a tiny ruling bloc.

This means “self-determination” cannot be discussed abstractly. Self-determination for whom? For the aristocrats and monastery estates that controlled land and labor? For the old theocratic administration? Or for the oppressed majority living under that system? If your concept of self-determination means preserving the political power of a serf-owning theocracy, then it is not the self-determination of the people. It is the self-determination of the old ruling class.

Nor is it accurate to pretend that Tibetans themselves had no role in calling for change. The 10th Panchen Erdeni telegraphed Mao Zedong and Zhu De in 1949 calling for troops to liberate Tibet and expel imperialist forces, and Reting Yeshe Tsultrim also urged the PLA to liberate Tibet as soon as possible the 10th Panchen Lama and Reting Yeshe Tsultrim urged PLA liberation of Tibet.

It is also worth noting that the central government did not immediately impose sweeping social reform after 1951. Reform was delayed, and in 1956 the central government decided that no reform would be carried out in Tibet for six years. However after the 1959 rebellion (which was materially led by the CIA through the training, arming, and insertion of Tibetan guerrillas drawn from anti-communist and former ruling-class networks) democratic reform was carried out. This reform responded to the demands of broad sections of the Tibetan masses who did not want to return to serfdom should these rebellions of the old ruling class succeed. Just a side note on the rebellion: imperialist powers have repeatedly cultivated separatist or reactionary forces inside socialist and postcolonial states in order to fragment them, weaken central sovereignty, and preserve geopolitical leverage (look at ETIM, the groups such as ISIS and BokoHaram in Africa funded through the CFA Franc etc.). Dismissing Tibetan support for reform altogether simply reproduces the viewpoint of the old elite and its foreign backers.

The “forced Sinicization” claim is also overstated. There has been no general outlawing of the Tibetan language, Tibetan religion, or Tibetan public cultural expression. Tibetan remains visible in public signage, official settings, education, media, and cultural life. Tibetan and Chinese are both used on public signs, in official documents, and across public institutions; Tibetan is also taught in schools as a major course of study. That does not mean there are no tensions or criticisms to make about state policy, but the claim that Tibetan culture is simply being erased is not supported by the basic observable reality.

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shawn1122 -12 points 9 days ago

Lenin’s definition shouldn't obscure Chinese hegemony. The PLA’s Annexation of Tibet fits social imperialism: a powerful state subjugating a distinct territory for geopolitical security, resources, and strategic border expansion.

Suzerainty is not sovereignty. The Yuan and Qing rules were loose, indirect, and distinct from integration. In 1912, Tibet expelled Chinese forces, maintaining de facto independence until 1950.

Feudal inequality existed, but Beijing weaponized class rhetoric to justify conquest. True liberation requires internal reform, not external military subjugation, cultural erasure, and the absolute destruction of local self-governance.

Self-determination belongs to the Tibetan people, not Beijing. Replacing a local theocracy with totalitarian Han-dominated party rule merely substituted indigenous exploitation with foreign oppression, denying Tibetans any genuine autonomy.

Selectively quoting the Panchen Lama ignores geopolitical duress. The Panchen Lama was a teenager held under Chinese custody; his "telegrams" were coerced propaganda tools, not a democratic mandate for invasion.

The 1959 uprising was a popular revolt against broken promises, not just CIA plots. "Democratic reforms" meant land collectivization, the destruction of thousands of monasteries, and devastating famine for masses.

Bilingual signs mask systemic erasure. Monasteries face strict party surveillance, nomadic way of life was forcibly ended, and boarding schools separate children from their culture, driving systemic, institutionalized Sinicization.

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UnderpantsWeevil 14 points 9 days ago

it assumes Chinese imperialism was necessary to defeudalize Tibet

It assumes Chinese Maoists aided Tibetan communists in their overthrow of the brutal theocracy that governed the country to date.

Certainly possible this could have happened another way, in the same way you might argue the US could have revolted against England without the help of France.

But the idea that Chinese integration with Tibet constitutes "imperialism" presumes China's economy is parasitic - leeching resources, robbing land, and press ganging laborers for the benefit of Beijing. None of that is in evidence. Just the contrary. China and Tibet have been engaged in reciprocal mutual aid, to the benefit of both regions.

Most importantly, it doesn’t justify forced sinicization

Capital improvements being reframed as "forced sinicization" is just American agitprop. The Chinese government is extending education as an amenity to a province that lacked it. The Tibetans are learning Mandarin because it benefits them to speak fluently with their wealthy neighbors.

For the same reason Indonesians learn English and Italians learn German, Tibetans are learning Mandarin.

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shawn1122 -6 points 9 days ago
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OurToothbrush 13 points 9 days ago

Are you using the formal or informal definition of imperialism here? Because I don't see how it meets the formal definition based on my understanding of the underlying economic mechanisms. For example, if they were engaging in imperialism why would Tibetan's own their own homes instead of the land being taken over and the average peasant being proletarianized/forced into urban centers or large scale production agriculture to work?

Why would them taking over Tibet be expansionist? Tibet has been part of China for hundreds of years, only breaking off briefly during instability caused by foreign imperialist powers.

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shawn1122 -8 points 9 days ago
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cheeki 4 points 8 days ago

By this logic, the US, Australia and a lot of other countries should not exist. The real world is around you.

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cattywampus -9 points 9 days ago
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narwhal 20 points 9 days ago path: 0 24244999 24245304 24245765 24246421, hotness: undefined, score: 20, children: 4
cattywampus -15 points 9 days ago
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doben 14 points 9 days ago

China famously doesn‘t need to share anything at all, the US is very good at pulling dumb shit out of their ass to slander unfriendly nations for their own citizen's indoctrination, like this shit recently.

What‘s a good, unbiased source for you? You sure that's something that exists in politics? You'll have to take the information and use your critical thinking abilities to further your knowledge about the world. The article from Dr. Michael Parenti from the other comment is very well sourced. Stop creating artifical standards, you have been excepting dumb propaganda in the past to form your current understanding.

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cattywampus -9 points 9 days ago
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Nonconfrontational 10 points 9 days ago

Lol. It's famous, is it?

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5opn0o30 -10 points 9 days ago
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doomsdayrs 11 points 9 days ago

says the bot ass username

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UnderpantsWeevil 5 points 9 days ago

You'll be disappointed

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humanspiral 7 points 9 days ago

what do 4 small stars on flag represent?

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AntiOutsideAktion 22 points 9 days ago

More specifically the four smaller stars represent the four social classes that participated in the revolution: Peasants, Laborers, the Petty Bourgeoisie, and Patriotic Capitalists. The large star represents the Communist Party of China that united and leads them.

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nearhat 8 points 9 days ago path: 0 24253829 24254020, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 4
JcbAzPx -24 points 9 days ago

So the large start dominating the smaller ones. Surprisingly accurate.

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Cowbee 9 points 8 days ago

The large star is not a class itself, but the organized workers and peasants.

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electric_nan 7 points 8 days ago

E pluribus unum?

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pineapple 1 point 8 days ago
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whatiswrongwithyou 7 points 8 days ago

Little stars

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UltraGiGaGigantic 3 points 7 days ago

Nation states are the worst religions on planet earth.

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ColdWater -16 points 9 days ago

0 days since the last politico memes on this community

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