Iirc german cops kept using nazi slang ad justifications to target romas for a long ass time too. a source
FRG never had proper denazification BTW
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dessalines 6 points 3 days ago
Yep. Highly recommend reading Paul L Williams - Operation Gladio, as it gets more into this also.
Flatworm7591 12 points 3 days ago
I'm glad I took the time to read that link. Thanks for sharing.
dessalines 6 points 3 days ago
No probs
dessalines 4 points 3 days ago
o7
alapakala 6 points 3 days ago
Nazis: “Operation Persilschein was a complete success! Glad y’all stayed!”
avidamoeba 1 point 3 days ago
Do you know why so many names have no party designation?
punkisundead 1 point 2 days ago
I think those are lists of ministers, which were appointed to be part of the goverments during these time periods. Only the bold ones are known former nazi party members.
EyIchFragDochNur 5 points 3 days ago
FRG didn't annex GDR. GDR dissolved itself, 5 federal states were founded on it's ground and they joined FRG
alsaaas -3 points 3 days ago
De facto it was an annexation of it's whole economy by western companies. There is a reason [some] people (in the East) say "Tag der Treuhand" ("Day of the Treuhand") instead of "Tag der Deutschen Einheit" ("Day of German Unity")
EyIchFragDochNur 6 points 3 days ago
I was born in GDR and I've never heard that before. The vast majority of people wanted to join the capitalistic west. It was a peaceful revolution with huge demonstrations. They wanted bananas an the currency.
Imo the biggest mistake of the dictatorial party was closing the borders to the west. They were taking people's freedom, way too much. Of course people were pissed
Edit also lol the economy of GDR was a fucking joke.
therealdries 9 points 3 days ago
Neither did the GDR - they just gave up after a while.
Potti 8 points 3 days ago
Would you kindly elaborate?
To my knowledge there were of course some Former Nazis/Nazi employed people active in the GDR and the Soviet Union, notable mentions being:
- Manfed von Ardenne, a researcher who helpdesk with the developement of the first soviet nuke and headed his own medical/radiological Research Center in the GDR
- Friedrich Paulus, the General that capitulated in Stalingrad and played some role in the rearmament of the GDR as well as a military-diplomatic branch towards the FRG
I am not aware of major nazi influence within the Political and Judical sectors as can arguably be said about the FRG
therealdries 7 points 3 days ago
To my knowledge
I think you missed quite a few - and this is just what is easily available on Wikipedia.
However, in reality, substantial numbers of former Nazis rose to senior levels in East Germany. For example, those who had collaborated after the war with the Soviet occupation forces could protect Nazi members from prosecution, enabling them to continue working.[38] Having special connections with the occupiers in order to have someone vouch for them could also shield a person from the denazification laws.[4]: 256 In particular, the districts of Gera, Erfurt, and Suhl had significant amounts of former Nazi Party members in their government,[34] whilst 13.6% of senior SED officials in Thuringia were former members of the Nazi Party. Notable ex-Nazis who eventually became prominent East German politicians included Kurt Nier [de], a deputy minister for foreign affairs, and Arno Von Lenski, a parliamentarian and major-general in the East German army who had worked in Roland Freisler's notorious Volksgerichthof trying opponents of the Nazi government as an effective kangaroo court. Von Lenski was a member of the NPPD, a political party set up by East German authorities upon the encouragement of Stalin explicitly to appeal to former Nazi members and sympathisers, and which functioned as a loyal satellite of the Socialist Unity Party.[39]
Even if we were to give the "denazification" processes of both Germanies the benefit of the doubt - which, to be clear, neither deserves - the process would still have bumped up against reality. It was virtually impossible.
KernelPanic 1 point 3 days ago
EDIT: nevermind
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Paragraph 175 of the penal code, which made homosexual acts a punishable offense, was only removed in 1994. Until 1973 West Germany used the actual text from the Nazis. Shameful and disgusting.
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