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frisbird -15 points 3 days ago

Even just the wording reveals the idealism: "I believe in"... No one gives a fuck what you believe in. Marx never said "we must believe in these things". And this jumble of concepts contains elements that are in completely different categories. The recognition of revolutionary potential in the proletariat and the use of labor unions to express power is an empirical analysis, not a belief system. The recognition of human rights is either moral objectivism (which is a form of idealism and decidedly anti-Marxist) or it's a super structural tool and/or propaganda tool.

Leftism isn't virtue signalling.

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EyIchFragDochNur 1 point 3 days ago
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frisbird 2 points 3 days ago

Imagine thinking "leftism" is "believing in things that indicate my goodness"

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EyIchFragDochNur -6 points 3 days ago

I don't understand your reply. I'm non anglophone and online translation didn't help

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frisbird 9 points 3 days ago

The image you posted indicates that "true leftists" are different from tankies because true leftists "believe in" a bunch of concepts that are socially constructed as "good things to believe in"

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EyIchFragDochNur 7 points 3 days ago
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frisbird 1 point 3 days ago

I don't think my constructed concept is "good" at all. I don't use morality as a tool for evaluating geopolitics, revolutionary politics, and large timescale social movements. It's a form of idealism that obscures reality instead of clarifying it.

Marxism doesn't say anything about "believing in good things". It is a philosophy of understanding the world as fundamentally material, which precludes concepts like objective morality, and using that foundational understanding to do systems analysis on to understand how human society works, understand where it is headed, understand how we can change it.

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LibertyLizard 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah that's generally how ideology works lmao.

Not us though! Our god personally instructed us on the sacred sciences. It's not subjective at all.

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frisbird 7 points 3 days ago

Actually it's incredibly subjective. Objectivity itself is an incredibly suspect concept and the idea that we should all be striving to reveal the one single objective truth is a feature of failed philosophies and in particular fascist worldviews.

Marxism doesn't claim to be objective, it is a methodology for working with complex interconnected convolutional dynamic systems. Not all Marxists arrive at the same conclusions in theory, and they don't all interpret observations to indicate the same thing. However, as more observations are made and examined, Marxism provides the path to converging closer to a shared and comprehensive understanding, just like any science does, because it's not a series of factual claims but rather a process of developing understanding.

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