Terribly performing memecoin

7 days ago by Return_of_Chippy to c/memes

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Zephyr 9 points 7 days ago

It's not called Fiat currency for no reason. There's lots of rumors of a global switch to state backed crypto coins or purely digital currency. That way the normal people can't hide any money, their money can be turned off unlike cash.

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exasperation 7 points 7 days ago

We already have mostly digital currency.

Money is created when a bank creates a loan, by starting with nothing and then splitting that nothing into a credit in one account (the borrower's checking account, usually) and a debit in another (the borrower's loan balance). From there, most transactions are digital where an ACH transfer or similar results in some numbers being subtracted from one account and added to another.

Almost all of this happens on computers, and even before computers it just happened literally on a paper ledger, with paper checks.

You might ask, "wait where does the bank get its money from to be able to allow money to be withdrawn or transferred to another bank?" If the bank doesn't have the liquidity to do so, it can always borrow money from other banks or the government, with the last resort in the United States being the federal reserve banks, who by the way also print all the paper currency. So having that backstop is important for regular banks to have the power to create money, but the actual creation of money happens digitally to begin with, regardless of whether the bank later needs to distribute paper bills or borrow from the federal reserve.

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Tommelot 2 points 7 days ago

That's not how any of it works though.

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exasperation 7 points 7 days ago

It's how all of it works. Money is just balances on double-entry bookkeeping, and the paper currency essentially is a piece of paper that the bearer of that paper is good for moving the balances in that ledger system.

And almost all of those ledgers are now digital.

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Tommelot 1 point 7 days ago

By that logic any bank could grow arbitrarily large by just underwriting more loans. Then there'd be no competition between any of them and my job would be so much easier.

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exasperation 5 points 7 days ago

Yes, the limit to commercial bank lending is creditworthiness and default risk (because the bank is left holding the bag when a borrower doesn't repay), and the cost of maintaining liquidity (the bank can borrow against the loans it owns, but it may cost a higher interest rate than they'd earn on the cash they've lent out). This paper lays it out pretty clearly, and is basically the near unanimous view among macroeconomists.

Or, in some regulatory environments, banks are required to maintain a minimum fractional reserve, which limits the total amount of loans it can lend out with its underlying assets.

But the money is created when the loans are created, and destroyed when the loans are repaid. The other stuff behind the scenes to give the system stability is important, but doesn't actually create or destroy money.

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Tommelot 1 point 6 days ago

Exactly. The bank can borrow, for which they need collateral, which sufficiently proves that what you're saying is wrong.

They have to manage their balance sheet actively, and your original statement was in the lines of 'it's all made up and they have infinite equity supply'.

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exasperation 3 points 6 days ago

Read my original comment again. I explicitly talk about banks borrowing to maintain liquidity. It's an important limit on their ability to create money, and nobody said anything about infinite money supply.

But it doesn't change the fact that the act of money creation is caused by a bank creating a loan, and the money comes into being without a single physical act of manufacturing: it happens on a computer, and before computers it happened on paper.

So without claiming that money was unlimited, I did point out that money itself is overwhelningly digital in the modern age. And the limits don't come from any physical constraints.

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Jtotheb 1 point 6 days ago

Fitting username. Explaining this to people irl who respect and listen to me is hard; can’t imagine trying to inform someone online who’s simultaneously trying to win the conversation you’re having

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