Differences in the sitewide instances blocked between lemmy.ca and sh.itjust.works

3 days ago by SomethingWentWrong to c/lemmy_ca_support

lemmit.online is currently allowed on sh.itjust.works but blocked on lemmy.ca so I looked into it a bit deeper and found there are other differences between the list of sitewide blocked instances for each server.

I'm bringing this to your attention as a low priority background task request to review the differences and see whether the instance in question should be blocked on both sites or allowed for each since they are both fedecan sites.

Here are some stats about the blocked instances:

90 instances are blocked on lemmy.ca
100 instances are blocked on sh.itjust.works
29 blocked instances are common between lemmy.ca and sh.itjust.works
61 instances are blocked only for lemmy.ca but not on sh.itjust.works
71 instances are blocked only for sh.itjust.works but not on lemmy.ca

I'll post in some comments to this post the list of instances blocked on only one of the two fedecan owned lemmy servers and the shell commands I used to gather the data.

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Rentlar 4 points 3 days ago

I can tell you one reason for a portion of them on the lemmy.ca exclusive blocks, having been here just a handful of months prior to the Reddit-exodus of June 2023.

Since lemmy.ca is a few years older than sh.itjust.works, there are some servers that were blocked back then, for spammers or trolls that no longer existed by the time sh. first came online. One particularly infamous example from the early Lemmyverse is wolfballs.

Oh and the request/intent to join announcement seemed to indicate that while Fedecan would be an infrastructural and fiscal host for sh., it was agreed the operational management of their Lemmy server would be largely left to the existing people. I suppose no harm in reviewing the differences if there's time to spend, but just trying to provide whatever context I can to your analysis.

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otter 3 points 2 days ago

That is correct :) As of right now, the plan is to keep the federation policy separated at the instance level. There are some subtle differences in the current draft of those policies

Some of the instances in the list are obvious spam/scams that no one wants to see, and sh.it just.works might defederate away from those ones easily. We have only started working together somewhat recently, and its likely that many instances in this category just never federated over to them, or they have already shut down.

For others they will need to raise a discussion with their users to see if that is something the users want. I think it is healthy for there to be some differences in the overall federation lists, since then users can choose which experience is right for them.

Also tagging @SomethingWentWrong@lemmy.ca, thank you for doing the work and sharing those lists / the script. We haven't had a chance to do this kind of analysis yet. Another advantage of listing the federation decisions is that users can compare instances when deciding where to make an account.

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SomethingWentWrong 1 point a day ago

My pleasure.

I looked into fediseer and am happy to see it also offers a documented REST API. I compared the blocked and censured list for sh.itjust.works and created this post requesting SJW to to review their mismatches: https://lemmy.ca/post/69562789

FYI - here's current counts of blocked instances and reported censure to fediseer for the top 10 lemmy servers:

                Blocked  Censured
lemmy.blahaj.zone   312       228
lemmy.ca             91         2
lemmy.dbzer0.com    214       158
lemmy.ml            210         0
lemmy.one             4         0
lemmy.world         204       203
lemmy.zip             9         0
programming.dev     324       132
sh.itjust.works     100        94
ttrpg.network         0         0

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