The Pollution Being Churned Out by AI Data Centers Is So Severe That It's Almost Incomprehensible

3 days ago by inari to c/technology

The extent of the pollution being put out by thousands of data centers is shocking. Some developers are exploiting regulatory loopholes.
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halezinflames 37 points 3 days ago

"AI is a tool stop being a luddite" mfs when being exposed to this reality

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AlteredEgo 3 points 2 days ago

To make AI data centers sustainable with solar and batteries costs about 10% of the price of the base hardware. The AI hype is still insane but we can have a little AI.

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boonhet 0 points 2 days ago

Man I want your supplier for batteries and panels tbh.

A single DGX B300 that could run Kimi for a few concurrent users, uses 14 kW. Costs about 500k. Assuming you live far enough from the equator to have seasons, you'll have about 8 hours of daytime at the worst points of the year (less at my latitude for an example, we get ~6 hour days in the dead of winter, with sun angles below 10 degrees and sunshine available... not every week)

Even in a slightly less extreme location, You'd be looking at roughly a 100 kW array to fill the battery and power that one server reliably like when there's clouds, about 300 kWh battery capacity to get through long nights. Easily 6 figures total cost, maybe 20-40% of the server itself. This assumes no electricity used for cooling, so it's very much back of the envelope math, reality could be much worse or a tiny bit better depending on your latitude.

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AwesomeLowlander -1 points 2 days ago

Looking at the actual numbers (less than 1%) other commentors are posting as opposed to clickbait headlines, I'm not seeing the issue.

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halezinflames 6 points 2 days ago

I'm exhausted of all this. The data centers have been so pervasive that some communities have been thinking about rationing electricity to get around the requirements. That's... a dystopia future if Ive ever seen one.

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jj4211 3 points a day ago

Note that the negative impact of these facilities are, by designed, concentrated on the communities that get stuck with them. The overall percentage has to be considered in the context of them focusing that impact into relatively small, super dense footprints.

Also, the percentage is higher than 1%, and in the US is about 5%. This reflects the current situation that the AI companies lament is just too constrained on them, with ambitions of getting to 20% if circumstances allow them to build up the way they want. So it's already somewhat significant, especially with the way it gets concentrated, and further they want to bump it up at least four fold beyond what they've managed to do so far.

In anticipation of that, energy strategies that planned to be more tame and grow by renewables got pushed aside in favor of more natural gas, and especially portable power generation which tends to be more polluting.

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