Police Called on Trans Men Using Women's Restroom As Required By Kansas Law

3 days ago by heliotrope to c/maliciouscompliance

“As a trans man, I have the immense privilege of blending in. But these laws force me to choose between safety and obeying the law.”

cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/65235734

On August 8, police arrived on the scene of Long Branch Lagoon Water Park in Dodge City, Kansas, to the sight of three self-described “bearded, burly men” who had been in the women’s bathroom and changing area. The manager of the municipally run property allegedly screamed and rushed children out the door.

The men knew this was likely. They didn’t agitate any of the women; they didn’t remove their clothes or make crass comments. They simply used the gendered spaces that the state of Kansas requires them to use by law, because these men are transgender.

“Supporters of SB244, including Attorney General Kris Kobach and Senate Majority Leader Ty Masterson, billed it as a way to keep men out of women’s spaces; it clearly requires some men to enter women’s spaces,” a press release sent to news outlets reads. So, these men took action—using malicious compliance to prove their point.

“Segregating people by suspected genitalia does nothing to improve public safety; it does quite the opposite by opening Kansans up to sexual harassment and discrimination. At no point should anyone be asking anyone else what genitals they have in public.”

The men, dressed in yellow “Compliance Crew” shirts, were part of a small group of trans-masculine Kansans who used the women’s room at facilities across the state that day in a coordinated action. They were also spotted at a zoo, a library, a museum, and other parks. They were in Emporia, Great Bend, Garden City, and Dodge City. At the library, at least one patron complained; at other places, the men used the bathroom and received dirty looks, and simply left the space without confrontation.

But at Long Branch Lagoon, members of the Kansas Compliance Crew resorted to having to describe their genitals to police in order to resolve the matter and avoid arrest.

“The men had a discussion with the manager and police and explained the situation, including uncomfortable descriptions of their bodies,” the press release said. Furthermore, both the manager and the police reportedly said “they had never heard of SB244 nor been notified by any government entity of its passage.”

“I could easily continue using the men’s restroom under the radar,” said Ray Vieux, who participated as one of the demonstrators.

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Canconda 128 points 3 days ago

If I were in charge bathrooms would be single rooms with nothing but a toilet.

Handwash sink is outside.

There is a person who maintains the facilities and offers a mint candy to only people who wash their hands.

If were gonna police anything in the bathrooms it should be hand washing.

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BassTurd 14 points 2 days ago

I like it, but I would put a urinal in as well. Not because as a male I would appreciate that more, but as a male, I've seen what other savages do to the toilet seat when they have to hit a stationary target from a couple feet away. I don't want to punish sitters with that.

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im_fine_sandy 4 points 2 days ago

Do urinals tend to stink more?

I feel like people flush less because after the pee drains out you can't see it any more, despite it still being there in the trap.

Some autoflush periodically or when you open the door.

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Soggy 1 point a day ago

Nah urinals don't smell worse than standard toilets.

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im_fine_sandy 1 point a day ago

That's not my observed experience.

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Soggy 2 points a day ago

Piss-soaked floors smell worse, but that's not a urinal problem per se. The steel/porcelain unit itself does not hold odor and even low-flow flush styles effectively clear liquid waste. But there are bad geometries that create splashback, drunkenness and social causes of bad aim, and business staff stretched too thin to adequately attend to the bathrooms.

And as someone that has been paid to clean toilets, all of the worst messes I've seen have been in the women's stalls.

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im_fine_sandy 1 point a day ago

Are you really suggesting that the addition of a urinal to a non-gender specific toilet would make it smell better ?

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Kangae_Hishiryo 2 points a day ago

I'm aware that I'm not the one you're talking with, but not necesarilly, you're making a straw man fallacy and a non sequitur fallacy.

The fact that he, with his empirical experience, noticed that most messes were on female toilets, don't automatically mean that adding urinals is "less smelly". You're just mixing pears with apples, as they're independent variables that, at much, will stack one on top of another, not cancel with each other.

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im_fine_sandy 0 points a day ago

The original comment:

I would put a urinal in as well. [...] I’ve seen what other savages do to the toilet seat when they have to hit a stationary target from a couple feet away.

This guy:

Piss-soaked floors smell worse, but that’s not a urinal problem per se.

My comment:

Are you really suggesting that the addition of a urinal to a non-gender specific toilet would make it smell better ?

Your comment:

[toilets and urinals] will stack one on top of another, not cancel with each other.

In this context:

  • my comment is not a straw man but responds to both the piss-soaked floor guy and the original comment
  • you seem to agree with me. Added urinal means worse smell.

If only there was a single device that could act as a receptacle and disposal for both pee and poo.

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