Just to get this straight. If I stand outside a voting center and give each person 500 bucks to vote for me. That is illegal? But if I am a Dipshit In Chief and offer 5k that is 100 percent legal?

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thatOneGuy 25 points a month ago

Technically, the equivalent would be you standing outside a polling place with a sign saying “I will give every adult in the area $500 if Candidate X wins”.

Ostensibly, you could just be lying (just like Trump) - and that would probably be covered under your 1st Amendment rights.

It’s stupid, but there is enough of a disconnect between action and reward that it might skirt past.

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Corkyskog 34 points a month ago

No, that's not how that works.

18 U.S.C. § 597 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 597.

Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and

Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

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melsaskca 15 points a month ago

That seems pretty straightforward. So the law is correct, it's just useless because the system founded on these laws is broken.

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elDalvini 10 points a month ago

"I will give you money if you vote for me"

Is different from

"I will give everyone money if I win"

The first is paying someone to vote and is outlawed by the law you cited. The second has a disconnect between the money and the vote. Everyone gets the money, even those that voted for the other guy. Thus it might be legal.

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thatOneGuy 3 points a month ago

I should look forward to Trump getting charged with that, then?

But more seriously, there would be countless lawyers happy to argue that a general statement such as “$500 to every adult in the county if John Smith wins” does not technically break that particular law because it’s not explicitly targeted at any one individual recipient, nor is it contingent on them participating in an election whatsoever.

Just as I’m also sure there would be more than one sympathetic Trump-appointed judge to side with the defendant too.

US laws mean nothing if they aren’t actively being followed.

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Devial 1 point a month ago

Though this becomes wishy with politicians/parties. You offering to pay for people's healthcare costs if they vote for your favourite candidate would probably be illegal, but a candidate promising to institute universal healthcare is just a campaign promise, so this law leaves a very legitimate open question of when something a candidate says stops being a campaign promise and starts being a legally problematic bribe, because ultimately all campaign promises boil down to "vote for me and I will do something good for you/something you like".

You could very much argue that a candidate promising UBI is effectively not very different from what Trump promised.

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NotSafeForWorld 1 point a month ago

What if someone says, "5000 will be on the table if I'm really happy. Candidate x winning will make me really happy"?

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