Multi-service tech communes on the Fediverse

20 days ago by Paula_Tejando to c/fediverse

Hi! I'm looking to collate/list community-funded Fediverse ISPs with multiple services. Some aggregate of servers that offer multiple services, not necessarily just Fediverse related, but at least one Fediverse service.

As examples, I can list:

I know there's one out there that also provides email (can't recall which), which is interesting as most people wouldn't dare.

poVoq 9 points 20 days ago

I know there’s one out there that also provides email (can’t recall which), which is interesting as most people wouldn’t dare.

You probably mean https://disroot.org/

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ScoffingLizard 1 point 19 days ago

This is really cool. I might switch over for email.

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Kierunkowy74 9 points 20 days ago

lemmy.wtf provides peertube.wtf and piefed.dk too.
lemmy.world is hosted by https://fedihosting.foundation/ , together with other .world instances and several stux' fediverse instances, like mstdn.social and gram.social
https://dotzip.ltd/
https://fedecan.ca/
infosec.exchange has got many sister services, listed here
https://devol.it/ hosts largest Italian fediverse instances
https://fediverse.neat.pub/
Framasoft made Mobilizon (and hosta its main French instance), makes PeerTube and hosta e.g. Framapiaf (a Mastodon instance) and more
many such providers in France are members of CHATONS
from Poland, there is wspanialy.eu, with Mastodon, FreshRSS, and recently also Matrix and WriteFreely

this obviously is not exhaustive

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rglullis 7 points 20 days ago

community-funded

Community underfunded. What the community is giving out barely covers the cost of the hardware, much less the labor of the admins.

Last year I considered offering accounts via a Caffe Sospeso on Communick, but it quickly became clear that is was going to suffer from the tragedy of the commons. Everyone that was willing to bear the actual operating costs would prefer to run their own servers to serve themselves, and the ones that were asking for "community supported" accounts were overwhelming just interested in free-riding.

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poVoq 3 points 20 days ago

There are people willing to donate their time* so only funding the hardware and other unavoidable running costs is often fine. If you find it too much workload, try looking for other volunteers.

*because contrary of what some economist think, it is often more enjoyable to work on something that isn't paid, then to use the same time to work for money and pay for the service. You see the same effect with the people that prefer selfhosting as you say.

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rglullis 1 point 20 days ago

We had this discussion before. People that want to treat this as a hobby can by all means go for it. But hobbyists alone will never be able to build and maintain something that can become a real alternative to all the shitty dominant economic systems out there.

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poVoq 5 points 20 days ago

You are making a category error.

Home cooking is a thing, and it is the predominant way of feeding yourself and also some lazy freeloaders aka your kids.

Or to make a different analogy: you are trying to compete as a restaurant with people wanting to organize a barbeque with their friends. That's never going to work.

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rglullis 1 point 20 days ago

you are trying to compete as a restaurant with people wanting to organize a barbeque with their friends.

Yes and no. I don't want to compete with the community. I was just expecting the community to have bigger ambitions that having a barbeque with their friends, and consider organizing itself to bring down Kraft Foods.

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lambalicious 0 points 20 days ago

Everyone that was willing to bear the actual operating costs would prefer to run their own servers to serve themselves,

That's a mathematical (and behavioural) indicative that your offering was simply not good enough for the target audience. If the people willing to put in the money and time were preferring to do it on their own for that same sum, it means you don't have enough aggregated value or distinctive non-operational functionality ("perks" or "affiliations", basically) to be unloading that value of cost on your potential users.

Reminder: we are in an era where our kind of people (focused on privacy, sovereignty, etc) know better than to commit to future payment for stuff because when you start paying for stuff, it gets Enshittified; an upstart in the current landscape is alas much more vulnerable to that.

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rglullis 2 points 20 days ago

If the people willing to put in the money and time were preferring to do it on their own for that same sum.

Different groups of people. My (few) customers pay to have peace of mind and have a service that works for them. The self-hosters were people who seemed enthusiastic about a "cafe sospeso" system, but indicated no interest in letting unknown people into their servers nor in contributing to strangers.

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scroll_responsibly 4 points 19 days ago

sdf.org

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lambalicious 2 points 19 days ago

Macross City residents represent!

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Paula_Tejando 1 point 5 days ago

I'm sorry, but what a confusing website. And I started on the web in 1995. What services to they offer? I couldn't find a list anywhere.