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10 days ago by geneva_convenience to c/twitter

glimse -4 points 10 days ago

A bit much IMO. I get why both things happened on a "the country deserved it" level but innocent people suffered the most in both cases. It's shooting up a Walmart because you hate the corporation.

Fuck the USA but the people in the towers weren't the ones dropping bombs. Fuck Israel but the festival attendees didn't deserve to die

And before anyone says "they were guilty of complicity," if that's true then why would I celebrate the actions of those who caused direct harm which then led to a fuckton of more harm to the people they did it in "support" of?

And to be clear, I'm not going to demonize either group of attackers. It's understandable that a victim would lash out like that. But I sure as hell don't "LOVE" either event.

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geneva_convenience 7 points 10 days ago

The World Trade Center was filled with some of the richest capitalists in the USA. Bank CEO galore. It was like a thousand Luigi Mangiones all at once.

Certainly janitors and other unrelated people were also hit but the Twin Towers wasn't a random ghetto apartment building. It was home base of capitalist imperialism.

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glimse -4 points 10 days ago

Didn't say it was a ghetto. They were office buildings for over 400 companies different companies. And what percentage of a company is CEOs? The majority of the people who died were Joe Schmoes.

Damage isn't isolated to to just the people who died. Their family and friends suffered, surrounding buildings gone, unrelated businesses closed. The entire city was in shambles for years.

My friend's dad was NYFD. But I guess I should celebrate because some of the people who died were bankers, huh?

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geneva_convenience 4 points 10 days ago

Yeah there were also real estate companies. And insurance companies. And consultancy firms... And the stock exchange... Oh no all these great awesome companies!...

My friend’s dad was NYFD. But I guess I should celebrate because some of the people who died were bankers, huh?

Thank you for inserting yourself into the story but here's the thing I don't care.

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glimse -3 points 10 days ago

I agree with you 90% of the time but this is ignorant as hell, man. You're either being deliberately obtuse or you really have no idea how a business works. Not sure which is worse.

Innocent people died and you're out here comparing percentages. What the fuck is that about? What's the ratio of guilty-to-innocent you find acceptable since you clearly have a number in mind?

And back to your Luigi comment, he wouldn't be getting any praise if he bombed the whole building.

Shit like this is why the media has such an easy time conflating anti-zionism with evil. "They celebrated when the towers fell" was the rallying call to the ignorant to support our oil colonialism and you're just proving them right

Thank you for inserting yourself into the story but here's the thing I don't care.

Please fuck ALL the way off with this. You're cheering for the death of someone I knew whose badge is still framed in his son's room.

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EmmiLime 4 points 10 days ago

Fuck Israel but the festival attendees didn’t deserve to die

Having a festival right next to an open concentration camp will have them rightfully die. Very deserved.

but innocent people suffered the most in both cases.

9/11 wasn't even remotely a blip in comparison to what your country has done to the global south for decades and then decades thereafter. A few thousand money men compared to millions of innocent people killed to maintain the system that the money men themselves work for.

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glimse 1 point 9 days ago

Whataboutism. "Your country has done worse" is not a good excuse for killing thousands of innocent people, sorry. That sort of logic sounds pretty damn familiar, too

A few thousand money men

So when my shitty country bombs a major city, they're all innocent. But when my shitty country gets bombed, every person deserved it. GOT IT.

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EmmiLime 1 point 9 days ago

Whataboutism.

meaningless term

“Your country has done worse” is not a good excuse for killing thousands of innocent people, sorry.

"has done worse" is seriously underselling just how much devastation your country has done to others. If your country experiences 1 billionth of the pain yours dishes out daily and you act like the entire world has to cry for it then it's a skill issue.

It's not on those defending themselves to care about the attacker's consequences. Maybe if you didn't let genocide, wars, collective punishment and exploitation become a bipartisan issue, things might have been better.

So when my shitty country bombs a major city, they’re all innocent. But when my shitty country gets bombed, every person deserved it. GOT IT.

What's the framing on this? Do you think Amerika had a right to bomb other countries?

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glimse 1 point 9 days ago

I can only assume you're deliberately missing both of my points, yeah? I never said the attacks weren't justified, I'm saying it's wild to LOVE that they happened.

I don't give a shit about "my country" as an entity. I have never supported any war we've been involved in. I'm not even going to rephrase it - you'd have to go out of your way to misinterpret what I wrote.

What's the framing on this? Do you think Amerika had a right to bomb other countries?

Insane question to ask in response to me saying my country is shitty. Again I'm not gonna defend a point I never made.

Here's a other "meaningless term" for you: sealioning

I'll ask you the same thing I asked OP: how many innocent people are you willing to kill to get one bully?

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