Using AI for just 10 minutes erodes your ability to persist at hard things

2 days ago by beep to c/tech

A UC Berkeley researcher co-authored a study that raises profound questions about how we interact with artificial intelligence in education — and daily life.
ExtremeDullard 28 points 2 days ago

No problem: I have a 9-minute timer to stop doing AI in time so I can stay hard.

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assembly 28 points 2 days ago

That makes sense and seems obvious. I’ve worked in tech for over 20 years and have learned the most while banging my head against the keyboard trying to solve a problem. I wouldn’t have learned all I know now without that experience. I doubt that process is specific to tech. If AI can just give us the answers, what kind of long term impact does that produce? Ideally it frees us up for higher/order thinking but that seems like a pie-in-the-sky dream to me. I’m concerned but hope those concerns end up unwarranted.

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Valmond 0 points 2 days ago

Yeah all those assembler optimisations I learned have proven so useful over the years!

On a serious note though, if you like (and have the ability to understand) complexity then AI will just move the needle towards other things to learn, IMO.

The AI tech itself is interesting, like back in the day people would get curious about how video games worked under the hood, while others "became stupid" because they only played them.

I feel it's as long as human history, Don't read it will make you lazy and stupid!

Smart people won't lose their "iq" (or whatever) for reading, playing videogames or using AI, couch potatoes won't get out of the couch if they stop reading, stop playing videogames or stop using AI...

The algorithmic dark pattern though (tiktok, FB, ...), that's serious bad stuff wrecking havoc with your dopamine, fuck that.

Rant off 😅

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DupaCycki 18 points 2 days ago

Claude, remind me to take a break every 9 minutes and 30 seconds.

See, antis? It's that simple and you couldn't come up with it.

/s

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Vile_port_aloo 2 points 21 hours ago

If you are using it to breathe!?

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9tr6gyp3 1 point 2 days ago

Using a drill instead of a screwdriver erodes your ability to do hard work.

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sepiroth154 15 points 2 days ago

You need to understand when to use a drill and when to use a screwdriver, to be most effective.

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fishy 2 points 2 days ago

This is really the heart of the issue. AI is a tool, it's legitimately good at some of it's tasks and can be a benefit. Unfortunately it's being used everywhere.

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qyron 11 points 2 days ago

That is not the issue here. It really is not.

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9tr6gyp3 -9 points 2 days ago

Apparently it is

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qyron 7 points 2 days ago

Would you use a drill to fit screws on sensible components or that required precise and careful fitting?

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9tr6gyp3 -6 points 2 days ago

Probably wouldn't want to use any old drill in that job. Would need a multi-million dollar specialized drill for that use case.

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ejs 4 points 2 days ago

Could you please explain in further detail why offloading cognitive labor is equivalent to reducing physical labor? Cognitive and physical labor are two different things: you need to struggle through a challenging problem to build structural thinking capacity for higher-order thinking; skipping fraction math isn't just saving physical energy but skips building the schemas needed for calculus, linear algebra, and so on. Using a drill over a screwdriver just saves your arm muscles, and it doesn't condition you to expect wood to screw itself together without your input.

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9tr6gyp3 -1 points 2 days ago

You still have to use the correct drill bits, so you have to know how to properly use a drill, but since those same tools are available as hand tools, its lazy to use a drill.

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ejs 3 points 2 days ago

Imagine a world where a company invents an Automated Robotic Sculpting Arm.

You don't need to hold a chisel or hammer anymore. You simply stand in front of a block of marble and speak to the robot using natural language: "Sculpt me a realistic human torso, slightly leaning forward, capturing a sense of tension."

A novice steps up to the machine. They have never touched clay, never studied human anatomy, never felt the resistance of marble grain, and never made a mistake that chipped off an irreplaceable nose.

The robot chisels out a figure in seconds.

A veteran sculptor walks by and points out: "The muscle attachment at the collarbone is anatomically impossible, and the weight distribution makes the statue structurally unsound—it will tip over in a high wind."

The novice replies: "No problem! I don't need to know anatomy or physics. I'll just refine my prompt!"

So the novice turns to the robot and says: "Fix the collarbone so it looks anatomically correct, and adjust the weight distribution so it won't tip over."

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qyron 4 points 2 days ago

The master sculptor will eventually die and that hard learned knowledge and finesse will be lost. The pointed details will be locked into a fixed context and become immutable and untransferable to other works which will eventually lead to only the same exact sculptures will be made. Sculpture ceases to be an expression on individual understanding of reality and becomes a standardized product.

Writing that made my stomach churn. It is nightmare fuel.

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9tr6gyp3 0 points 2 days ago

Ok you win. Everything I do needs to be a chisel and hammer and I must be a master of every trade I do. I wont use a drill ever again.

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NotASharkInAManSuit 0 points a day ago

If you think you don’t need a screwdriver just because you have a drill then you’re a dumbass.

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9tr6gyp3 2 points a day ago

"Using" is the keyword here.

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NotASharkInAManSuit 2 points a day ago

If you use a drill where a screwdriver is required then you are just going to break things. A great deal of the time using a drill is the absolute dumbest thing you could do and is not just detrimental to your goals but a demonstration of incompetence.

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9tr6gyp3 0 points a day ago

Oh yeah? Ever used a drill?

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lIlIlIlIlIlIl -2 points 2 days ago

THANK you!

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Jake_Farm -5 points 2 days ago

I wonder if search engines did the same thing.

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qyron 9 points 2 days ago

No. Using a search engine justs presents a list of possible locations for an answer. There us still the need to check and access if one or the other is a possible solution and choose which is the better one. There is an involved process. The LLMs spit out a prescribed solution, with an enforced by marketing and ignorance presupposition it is correct.

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zero_spelled_with_an_ecks 6 points 2 days ago

They did not. Anything that requires serious research still requires work. Anything simple or trivial became easy to check rather than relying on what the most confident person around you said.

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Jake_Farm 1 point 2 days ago

AI is only reliable for the simple stuff.

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snooggums 2 points a day ago

Like the number of Rs in strawberry!

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Jake_Farm 1 point 14 hours ago

Simple for it I guess, lol

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snooggums 4 points 2 days ago

They do not for the same reason libraries don't make people stupider.

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