what i worry about is them having any control over it and thus in position to gain more control over everything that might depend on it should it become widely used.
Meta Developing Compressed RAM "CRAM" For Linux: Better Than ZRAM & Zswap
2 days ago by who to c/linux_gaming
Gobbel2000 7 points a day ago
In the case of CRAM as a part of Linux the ultimate control still lies with Linus Torvalds. Other Meta projects like for example zstd can be forked as soon as they do some fishy stuff with it. But I do agree, when Meta is in the role of maintainer, we should keep a close eye on how the projects develop.
prole 0 points a day ago
It's foolish to fall for the false firewall these corporations try to put up between divisions. Meta is meta is meta. Do not think for a moment that they are not the same thing.
It seems like there are even idealistic employees of these places that have deluded themselves into believing that, simply because right at this moment, the person Meta has put in charge of their division isn't an absolute psychopath, that their positions aren't extremely unethical.
thingsiplay 36 points 2 days ago
ZStandard is also developed by a Facebook. And its truly amazing. What's wrong with their CRAM development, if everyone benefits from it for free and is Open Source?
thingsiplay 18 points a day ago
You actually don't, because this is in the Linux Kernel. Fine if you don't want to, just like I don't want to have anything to do with Epic Games. But this is a personal and emotional decision, and I do respect this!
However, charity washing? Is this conspiracy of something? I mean they develop an Open Source software, controlled by the standards of Linux. So from security and privacy standpoint there should be no issue. And I don't see any problem or issue. If someone could explain to me what the problem here is, I might change my opinion (and trust me, I do change my opinion). I just don't see an issue here.
Skullgrid 3 points a day ago
I pulled a word out my ass because I can't be bothered with looking it up all the way for this ambiguous term.
Basically, like "sportswashing" they are trying to cover up/compensate for their horrible behaviour by releasing crumbs like this to gain goodwill. I'm not going to change my opinion on facebook being a piece of shit scourge on humanity just because they put some ram efficiencies in linux.
Skullgrid -1 points 14 hours ago
yes yes, it's all AI and IBM so it's made of the same algos that ran the Nazi concentration camps.
I don't want to RELISH news of them doing more, and I'm not going to kiss their ass because they spent 0.00000000000001% of their earnings on one patch.
ItsMeForRealNow 18 points a day ago
I feel like most of such work happens despite the company not because of it. True credit goes to the engineers who did it. I feel like meta would have just scraped them for more VR universe or whatever it was called lol
Funkt4st1c 10 points a day ago
More ram for your ram is just objectively a good thing for computers to have, regardless of the pervert it came from.
ImgurRefugee114 8 points 2 days ago
As a user of zram, I am excited
Eggymatrix 34 points 2 days ago
That is not how this works. EEE can be said about window's wsl, but here they are contributing directly to the kernel. That is why linux is that good, these big corporations profit billions by running linux, and getting it sligthly more memory efficient with current ram prices makes them profit even more. Fortunately the license forces them to contribute the code back and we profit from the same optimizations they implemented.
who 29 points 2 days ago
Fortunately the license forces them to contribute the code back
It doesn't. It would only compel them to share their changes if they distributed their modified kernel to others, rather than simply running it on their own servers. And even then, they wouldn't have to contribute their code back upstream.
They chose to contribute their changes upstream anyway, presumably so they aren't burdened with having to adapt them to every new kernel version in the future. Fortunately, we stand to benefit as a side effect of that decision.
thingsiplay 8 points 2 days ago
I dislike Meta. But I like their work on ZStandard and use it myself. Best compression algorithm since 7zip. It's extremely fast and can be used in may applications for various use cases. If that is the standard we can expect, then I'm happy what they do on CRAM. We only benefit from this.
thingsiplay 2 points 2 days ago
You mean like ZStandard from Facebook too?
Quazatron 25 points 2 days ago
If it is good and open, engineering is engineering. Good engineering came out of Meta before, that all of us use daily, like the zstd compression algorithm.
Save the moral outrage for all the other shady shit Meta imposes on humanity, god knows there is a intercontinental cargo ship load of it to choose from.
dusk -5 points 2 days ago
If you genuinely realise (and care) that meta is shady, there is no merit in supporting the company.
Moral outrage is something that people with decent morality have. Apathy is something that zombies have.
Quazatron 2 points 3 hours ago
If you do not want to support Meta, cancel your WhatsApp, Instagram and Facebook accounts. Stop being their product.
Participation in free/open source software is something that is encouraged from all, even if they are shady corporations like Meta, Google, Nvidia or Microsoft.
ImgurRefugee114 15 points 2 days ago
I got bad news for you if you use the modern web
ImgurRefugee114 23 points 2 days ago
Ever heard of a tiny little thing called React? GraphQL and relay? Presto? Folly? Zstd? Hack? RocksDB? Btrfs?
PyTorch is crazy big in ML/AI and has been for a while now.
And specifically in Linux: https://engineering.fb.com/...
And that's not even mentioning things that aren't just their tech, like open compute and funding foss and the Linux foundations, crap ton of open source projects, testing, bug fixes, and miscellaneous contributions.... Let alone all the tech that tries to compete with their tech; all the alternatives to react et al that are 'next gen'
Like it or not, the facebooks and googles of the world have contributed significantly to things you probably interact with every day.
db2 -15 points 2 days ago
Heard of btrfs, don't use it. Nor the rest.
0 out of 10.
As to the Linux kernel at this point everyone has contributed something. That would be like being mad at air for having been processed by Zuckerbergs human form cooling unit.
Ludicrous0251 12 points 2 days ago
A few notable ones?
https://engineering.fb.com/...
Btrfs
https://itsfoss.com/news/react-foundation-launch/
React
PyTorch (if you're into the AI thing)
I suspect, without evidence, that you'd probably find some Meta engineers contributing to the Linux kernel to some degree, so you may have to rip that out of your system.
tal 6 points 2 days ago
searches
They have a list.
brucethemoose 9 points 2 days ago
Meta has funded all sorts of open source infrastructure, for a long time. If you want to avoid their funded contributions… TBH, I wouldn’t even know where to begin.
thingsiplay 8 points 2 days ago
But why not? What is the fear here? It's not like Meta has any control if you install or enable the feature.
thingsiplay 8 points 2 days ago
I know the company. But what is the fear about CRAM? What do you think Facebook / Meta will do to harm you, if you use CRAM? I ask this question honestly, as someone who hates Facebook and does not use any of their services, and never visit their pages. But I use ZStandard developed by Facebook. And I do not see any problem in doing so.
db2 -3 points a day ago
If you can audit the code and it's clean and you built it yourself then probably nothing would happen. I don't trust them not to add something to access the memory though and don't have the time to audit code. Theyre not trustworthy enough to give the benefit of the doubt.
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If you're concerned about this coming from Meta, you haven't been paying attention. This is not to excuse Metas responsibility in the enshittification of the internet, but as a hyperscalar they of course have been pushing computing technology for a long time, and many of it openly available. CRAM will probably be upstreamed into Linux and I assume is therefore already licensed under the GPL. Meta Research seems to be operating in a much more open and useful way than the rest of the company.
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