NetBSD may have found a new role: The AI-free FOSS OS
a day ago by misk to c/opensource
...Hey, wait a minnit! That's not a bright side at all!
(Personally, I'd like to think that the output of any LLM whose training data includes copyleft code ought to be required to be copyleft.)
Personally, I think any output from these models must be for noncommercial use only, as its impossible to track down exactly whose rights are being violated for any given output, yet guaranteed that's its a non-zero number every single time.
They want it to worm its way into every corner of our lives as quickly as possible so that when a non-criminal administration and congress come into power, they'll be hesitant to prosecute something that touches the entire economy.
Don't let them win.
To be clear, I said I'd like to think all the output should be copyleft. I actually think that, since the training set is a hopeless mishmash of conflicting licenses, it's just massive copyright infringement and can't be used for any purpose at all. Part of me is surprised some judge hasn't started ordering them to just straight-up delete the entire models yet.
Biggest problem is proving where the code came from. Trying to pick out what software vibe code comes from is loke.trying to pick out a single hay strand from a pile of sharp broken glass and used needles. Can you do it? I'm sure with enough time you can, but at that point was the time spent worth it instead of learning how to be an actual programmer and/or developer?
I think you're right. Hopefully FSF will win some lawsuits and we'll get all the models made public
if I'm reading the writing on the wall right, copyright's days are numbered
Nope. You can build proprietary code on top of it, as long as you don't distribute it. A company can create all its internal tools with copyleft code, and it would all be kosher. If they start sending that code elsewhere, then the license kicks in.
Creative Commons BY-NC is great for some who disagree with you and that’s the beauty of choosing a license. As it’s your work you choose. Superiority doesn’t matter.
Can someone please tell the owner of https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware that NetBSD does not in fact have a "Permissive AI Policy."
In fact, it matches two of the "Permissive" criteria: generated code has been merged, and the policy defines conditions that allow such merges (approval by core). The list still recommends various software made by NetBSD developers as viable alternatives to slop projects, where appropriate.
The wording is weird. But the project (openslop) defines permissive as basically having a path for AI to enter the code. This lumps together both measured approaches like NetBSD's and fully embracing slop contributions in the same category.
I think this only makes sense if you view AI contributions as a taint, something that threatens the licensing of a project. In that optic, it really is an all or nothing. But it doesn't help users choose among the options as much.
Of course! This is the work of human effort, love, ingenious attitude...
To be respected, praised, glorified, and learn from...
These are achievements to get inspired from...
This is the way to keep such art precious...
There are actual human names on it to keep in the history permanently, respect, and advance further together...
Thank you... heartfelt... dear Developers, Artists, Community... for the ineffably magnificent Art... work you do...
Don't you have to press enter?
Lol?
I know nothing about NETBSD and would like some stories.
I just installed it but out of the box it's extremely bare bones. There's not even any software to install more software until you type (not copy and paste, because there's no internet and no browser - type) these commands
export PKG_PATH=https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/$(uname -p)/$(uname -r | cut -d_ -f1)/All
pkg_add pkgin
That failed to install the software-installer, there was some error message which makes me think my DNS settings are wrong.
That was enough for me. I've got work to do.
This is going to be the next Arch, isn't it?
Feels like hard mode...
I like to tinker and I want to find a usable retro window manager and CTWM, the one they bundle, has great potential. Might take another run at it this weekend when I have more time.
That's a lie, you simply run "sysinst" and select "install pkgin" from a curses menu. sysinst can also help you setup a wifi connection and other basic user config things from the comfort of a TUI. But good job in trying to scare people of from trying a good alternative OS.
Don't they still do development on mailing lists? That will keep contributors out for sure 👍
I guess that's probably the push I need to but it on my dc5700s. That thing's been sitting on the shelf undeployed for too long.
go to feed...
go to feed...
Too bad permissive licensing instead of copyleft (even as flawed as GPLv2 is) is a deal-breaker.
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