Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account
3 years ago by IsoKiero to c/homeassistant
cross-posted from: https://derp.foo/post/250090
There is a discussion on Hacker News, but feel free to comment here as well.
Because a skin sack with an MBA needs their yearly bonus.
If it’s proprietary, it’ll be enshittified as soon as shareholder value demands.
Can we stop the overuse and over-generalization of "enshitification" which Doctorow had given very explicit meaning to in regards to social networks? It does not simply mean commoditization which is not quite the same but almost synonymous with 'race to the bottom's in regards of trying to increase revenue while simultaneously decreasing costs.
Edit: I'll admit narrowing to "social networks" is a bit too narrow, but the point still stands that it's for two way platforms where there are "two markets." Phillips Hue does not have a two sided market.
But their entirely different processes. One is exploiting one market vs the other. Here it wouldn't necessarily be exploiting a market, but destroying value of a free service. If you're worried about personal info being the exploitation, it's going to be very limited and likely already in place. An account structure is usually more the first move toward monetizing the service directly and enabling the ability between free and premium services. That's still shitty, but for entirely different reasons. So I just don't like seeing the original word lose all meaning whatsoever beyond its root word. It basically guts it of all of its nuance and importance and just turns it into a noun form of taking something and making it shitty. We don't need to do that.
to add to this for people that are unsure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
Nah. He called it that, but the word follows grammatical* structure well enough that it can be easily understood and used in a more general sense. "the gradual increase in which something is shit" = "enshitification".
Fits for what he wanted to use it for. Fits for a whole lot more. One cannot gatekeep language. Whatever is the most effective way to transfer a concept from one mind as to be similarly understood in someone else's, ultimately is language.
* maybe not grammar, but you get what I mean
Prescriptive vs. descriptive grammar.
Descriptive grammar describes language, and tries to understand the structure and usage of words and sentences. Prescriptive grammar dictates how it should be used.
Except the language is weaker as we've lost the ability to transfer one idea easily because people like re-using the word because they think it makes them sound educated on the topic. It's being used because of Doctorow, not because of any other reason. So I call bullshit on it just being grammatical.
This might come across a little bit insulting, and I mean it that way too if it hits home.
You are putting way to much value into the creation of this word. It is the descriptive noun "shit" followed by the suffix "-ification". It doesn't need to be "coined" by anyone attributing any other meaning than what you would get by a descriptive noun, followed by "-ification". Adding the prefix en- is a nice embellishment.
So, perhaps the dude made it become a used word, but to presume a word's origin defines it is a bit silly. That isn't how language work. If enough people like a word, and like for it to mean something, then... that's what that word means, because that's what "meaning" means. Sometimes, it is exceedingly frustrating when it breaks with the original meaning, e.g. "literally" being used for "figurative". In this case, it does not. So why would anyone give a shit if someone thinks a word should mean something else than what it literally means.
Except it means nothing in that usage. Some people ran with it. Others decided to not be ridiculous and just apply it without rhyme or reason. Outside the Fediverse, it's nearly unknown. Inside the fediverse, when it's misused, it's usually in a very obvious and uncritical manner. It is still commonly used properly.
Don't take the power away from words just because you literally like the word itself. It's immature.
If you use it to apply to all unpopular corporate decisions, it's no longer powerful and doesn't have any meaning.
This isn't a new thing, my brother. Half the words you use on a given day probably had a different meaning when they came about. If anyone is being immature here, it's you guys who seem to think English should be static and never updated. And for what it's worth, I think it's used pretty accurately when I see it get used, and I think the way it was used in this thread is apt.
Lol next step it will demand your WiFi password to always be online, because why not.
The step afterward you ll have 5 "room light subscription options, offering different service for high demanding customers"
Didn't amazon want to be able to secretly piggiback on other known WiFi networks of other wifis known to amazon through connected devices, when some users would refuse to connect their decides to their WiFi? I think I remember something like that, but don't know what came of it. Might have just been a nightmare.
It’s called Amazon Sidewalk and it’s still a thing. When you set up any Amazon device, it defaults to on unless you click it off.
I am sorry to announce you this is totally real and is called «mesh network». I believe, (rotten) apple does the same
I bought 8 hue bulbs for $12 each like 6 years ago and every one of those suckers still work to this day. And the bridge came with the bundle. I just looked up a replacement bulb and its $20 per bulb. If those still last as long as my originals I will happily keep using them. They have worked flawlessly on my homekit schedule and they turn off at 1am and turn on at dusk every day without fail.
I agree that Hue bulbs are expensive compared to others but they generally are considered some of the best bulbs for color accuracy and build quality. I've considered getting Hue bulbs before but definitely wont be now.
I’ve been using ikea bulbs since I started with home automation and have had no issues. Some I connect directly to my Zigbee receiver and others I connect to the dirigera hub which home assistant sees through HomeKit.
I replaced my light switches with ZigBee light switches and just use ordinary light bulbs instead. Obviously no dimming or changing color possible, but that's what the nightlights and led strips are for.
The old Hue app still works and I'm also using Hue Essentials, both without any account.
I have a Hue bridge of the 1st generation and a few years ago, the original app was showing pop-ups, that I need to get a new bridge because of the new app that will no longer support my old bridge. So I just kept the old app and the old bridge. Works like a charm all offline.
When I added a motion detector two years ago, the old app didn't find it for setup. That's when I tested the alternative app Hue Essentials and it works just fine offline.
Since the Hue bulbs are using the Zigbee standard, you can still safely buy them in the foreseeable future and just connect it with something like SkyConnect, zzh!, Conbee, etc. and use it with Home Assistant
I was under the impression that the v2 Hue Zigbee was encrypted, and hadn't yet been broken.
Is this still the case?
As far as I know, since 2019 the Hue bulbs or lights are Zigbee + Bluetooth. I haven't heard of a Bluetooth-only bulb yet
Are phillips things reflashable with esphome/tasmota? I'm not a huge fan of tuya, but so fari have been able to reflash/rebrain everything i gave bought from them. It should be a lot easier though :/
The special features are hard to replicate. Hue sync won't work for example. That's why I still use the hue hub in addition to a zigbee stick for non-hue lights and switches. But if they want a login I'd rather drop hue sync and just add the lamps to my zigbee stick.
I looked this up a while back. Someone wrote code to try to replicate it in homeassistant on their forums. If I recall correctly, it didn’t work quite as well as the hue version but I haven’t have a chance/reason to try it yet. Maybe someday soon.
If it’s proprietary, it’ll be enshittified as soon as shareholder value demands.
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Why do I need an account for a light bulb?
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