Just Started Using Revolt (Discord Alternative)
3 years ago by Communist Capi ☭ 🇵🇸 🏳️🌈 to c/privacy
So far I really like it, anyone else using it? I'm really considering setting up the discord bridge and just using revolt
Matrix only partially has e2ee and its e2ee is time based and breaks under high latency
Sometimes a public utility doesn't need to be decentralized to function effectively
then let me introduce you to IRC
Nope, it's not. But Revolt and Mastodon share the same gimmic: no encryption. Why (as far as I know)? You can install these 2 on your own server, making you own your data and also handling the data. E2EE will not be important in that case (according to me). However, encryption (not E2EE) are important in any service.
Honestly it's just going from one bad app host (discord) to another that could be less bad but still has all your data (revolt). You can host your own revolt server but you won't be able to join any of revolts servers. Matrix is just plain better for privacy and security. I do like to see more alternatives out there tho
The problem with matrix is that the standard isn't standardized. Its constantly changing and the matrix server software is buggy
edit: just to be clear I'm not saying revolt is better
The problem is that synapse is very touchy. I've had issues with broken encryption and messages not going though
If you like living in the 90's
That's like saying you can use email if you like living in the 70s-80s. XMPP is a pretty healthy and active project that is standardized like email and ActivityPub. I would consider XMPP pretty modern, especially considering its features, extensions, etc., as well as the numerous applications it is integrated in.
XMPP is also used in very popular games, consoles, and clients.
Such is life being on the internet, really.
You couldn't stop it even on IRC. At least here you can host your own Matrix instance.
Most important to me: Which of them is easier to self-host?
I've been running a Mumble server for my friends for over a decade now and I'd like... something more without having to get too technical. Mumble is literally just a single apt-get and you're basically done, so that's about the level of technical expertise that I bring to the table. I've tentatively looked into other solutions over the years but I always feel my attention drifting when the setup-tutorial covers multiple pages and starts with manually configuring some database or certificate authority or whatever. Sorry, I didn't mean for this to get too ranty.
Is matrix not a separate protocol?
- Doesn't track you like discord does to remain "free"
- You audit the code for security and privacy issues
- You can self-host or fork the code for yourself if you ever need to build a backup because some idiot decided to purchase the original revolt project and decided to screw with it
- It has an open source license so the software can never be privatized, it's essentially a public utility; for everyone by everyone
Our Story:
The Revolt project originally started back in 2019 by a group of three students from the United Kingdom and the Czech Republic, looking for an alternative to the already emerging, closed-source chat platforms. Our main focus for the project was to create an open-source, completely compromise-free platform that offered all of the same features and competed against other chat apps
- Revolt is made with collaborative effort, and if you like coding it makes it so if you can to try and code stuff to add custom functionality or plugins or whatever else. Like a public utility you can add to it and develop it communally, though in this case it would be a public utility serving a public with a population of just you. But because of the GPL license Revolt uses, it makes it so that you need to share your changes. Whatever form the source code takes, it remains a public utility until perpetuity.
They only thing missing is voice for gaming.
What's up with them?
They are uninformed politicaly and have banned people for saying there Christian. (So I've been told)
It also is a centralized service
banned people for saying there Christian.
Huh, that's some shitty behavior if true.
It also is a decentralized service
Did you mean to say the opposite? It's not like Matrix, servers can't communicate with each other, they're all standalone
Are you maybe confusing it with? https://www.revolut.com/en-US/
yet another other miserable attempt at doing IRC
It has been a long time since I used IRC, but or it has changed a lot or it's not similar.
Could you send inline images? Could you assign granular permission and roles ? Can have several rooms with access and visibility control of each of them? Can you make audio rooms? Can you react to mensages?
I've never had the need for any of those things. A text-only chat is a cleaner and better chat. Specially reactions, those are rather absurd and irritating.
Audio is definitely a different use case, and Mumble works great for that. You can just host both on the same domain and be done with it. You could even write a client that supports both IRC and Mumble if you wanted to, instead of constantly reinventing the wheel.
And I'm sure you could implement in-line images in IRC if you wanted, after all Twitch's chat is IRC and they have images.
Show me an IRC where I can share images and then jump into a jitsi voice call or whatever, I'd use it every day. I'm in discord, matrix, all of this shit. I mostly wanna send memes to a few friends 😮💨
Edit: reactions are pretty sweet in my eyes btw. I use a lot of emojis.
You're right, that was a crap insult. Discord is just such garbage. Like its so sad to see discord become this naughty gamer queer safe space that... Takes all of this data, doesn't sell it, just gives it to shareholders that have bought in. Its disgusting.
What communities are there on Revolt? Anything big? Like GrapheneOS, Linux Mint, Signal, Monero?
I know that Matrix has their communities.
I tried self hosting my own using their docker compose file. The text chat works just fine and is lovely but the voice part was totally broken for me. To be fair it explicitly says in the settings page they're rewriting the entire voice subsystem so I'll try again in the future
there probably is a list on the revolt discord 😵💫
Revolut is a different thing
I've heard they like to ban people for disagreeing with them or being christian. So no, I'll just stay away.
Also it seems pretty centralized so there is no reason they couldn't start do something questionable
banned me because i said i believe in god
freedom of religion is a human right bruh i did not say anything but i believe in god the banned me and claimed i was being homophobic 1. i said nothing about it 2. stfu even if i was
oh by the way you can shut with your among us memes
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No but there are multiple posts about it so I am inclined to believe them
Nah I think I prefer Matrix. The Revolt servers have that same unproductive samesy flair as discord.
Femboy server uwu cutesy safe (but slightly horny) space. Trans programmer server yay!!
It's all junk. Matrix has less, but the servers I'm in are trying to do something new. They're trying to fight the patterns and habits and create something more mindful, safe, and engaging.
I just counted them, assuming you mean the first 100 servers featured in the discover tab. I counted only 6 like what you were talking about, 3 that use it while talking about inclusivity, 5 about anime / japanese games (you should know what I mean), and 1 that associates it with Linux so I don't know if it's joking or not.
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It's not decentralized and e2ee is not implemented.
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