Jragon

3 years ago by ickplant to c/lemmyshitpost

starman2112 58 points 3 years ago

Do y'all actually pronounce dragon with a j sound? How???

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force 53 points 3 years ago

English phonology, American English dialects' (and other dialects') /r/ is usually pronounced retracted, post-alveolar/pre-palatal (usually bunched/molar), transcribed something like [ɹ̠ᶹ], so it causes alveolar consonants in the same cluster to retract/palatalize, usually into a post-alveolar affricate ([d͡ʒ] – the "j" sound for voiced stop /d/, [t͡ʃ] – the "ch" sound for voiceless stop /t/, [ʃ] – the "sh" sound for voiceless fricative /s/). The term would be assimilation (of place of articulation).

"Dragon" /dræ.gən/ -> [dɹ̠æ.ɡɪ̈n] -> [d̠ʒɹ̠æ.ɡ(ɪ̈)n]

You can see the same thing with words like "tree" /tri/ -> [t̠ʃɹ̠i] or even "street" /strit/ -> [ʃt̠ɹ̠it]

Would explain simpler but can't, break ends now, just know its because consonant pronounced in different place in mouth is conforming to being pronounced in the same place in mouth as other consonant that is right beside it (like with "in-" vs "im-", "impractical", which notably isn't "inpractical", or "incandescent" which notably isn't "imcandascent", or "indecisive" etc. etc.)

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glibg10b 25 points 3 years ago

This explanation makes me feel stupid

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Stoneykins 22 points 3 years ago

They made almost no attempt to put it in layman's terms, which means as an explanation it is not very helpful unless you already know enough about the topic to not need to ask about it in the first place. Correct and unhelpful. But I guess they were busy.

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TimewornTraveler 6 points 3 years ago

Schools need to teach IPA. It's basically a universal language. (Lol plz dont hit me)

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red -9 points 3 years ago

He can explain it to you, but he can't understand it for you. /s

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starman2112 7 points 3 years ago

Okay, I think I get it. When I say "dr-" the r is made with the tip of my tongue just behind my front teeth, but when I say "jr-" (like in badger), the r is made with the middle of my tounge in the middle of my mouth. Neat!

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TimewornTraveler 4 points 3 years ago

I love seeing linguists on Lemmy. Wish we had a bigger community.

To put it in layman's terms just focus on explaining that J is often [d͡ʒ] which already has a D sound in it.

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funkless_eck 2 points 3 years ago

you've written tree as "tshree" there.

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force 7 points 3 years ago

Many dialects, indeed, pronounce "tree" as something one might perceive as "chree".

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Kase 4 points 3 years ago

Aw crap, that's how I pronounce it. Now I can't unhear it

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dodgy_bagel 0 points 3 years ago

Hey there now. We aint knowing any of your elvish. Best keep that to yourself, ya understand?

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name_NULL111653 1 point 3 years ago

Mae g'ovannen!

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yamapikariya 9 points 3 years ago

Жragon (ZHragon)

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kate 7 points 3 years ago

I think this is how you’re supposed to say gif

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name_NULL111653 2 points 3 years ago

Джragon (dZHragon = jragon)

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bernieecclestoned 9 points 3 years ago

Gragon

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hakunawazo 2 points 3 years ago

Don't start the gif/jif wars again.

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Takios 1 point 3 years ago

It's clearly yif

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Sagifurius 4 points 3 years ago
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Kase 2 points 3 years ago

Haha same here. And to add onto the Luthor bit, everyone I know pronounces "-or" and "-er" words as "-ir". Pretty much everybody agrees it sounds stupid, but nobody has the power to stop it.

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Sagifurius 2 points 3 years ago
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KSPAtlas 2 points 3 years ago

I sort of roll the bounce of the "d" in "j" into the r

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PilferJynx 2 points 3 years ago

Jereggin for sure

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altima_neo 1 point 3 years ago

I didn't think so either till I pronounced it out loud. WTF is going on?

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isthingoneventhis -1 points 3 years ago

Pretend like you're french: j'ragon. It's the second G in garage or however you would say au jou sauce.

eta: if you're pronouncing dragon and jragon the same, I'm really concerned and alarmed.

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bdonvr 6 points 3 years ago

In most Americans accents I think "Dragon" and "Jragon" would be indistinguishable.

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peopleproblems 4 points 3 years ago

I was so fucking confused until I tried saying it out loud. I'm so startled and impressed

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bdonvr 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah if I slow down and pronounce it with intention, they're different. In normal speech though, it's basically "jragon"

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isthingoneventhis 0 points 3 years ago

Absolutely not. Am American, so I'm gonna go on a limb and assume most of my friends would also probably pronounce it similarly.

The way you say Jra-gon and Dra-gon is completely different in most accents on the West coast. I'm very confident in that.

I think the Midwest would probably say it pretty samsies because they're not emphasizing the first letter: jRa-gun / dRa-gun or jra-Gn / dra-Gn. Probably gets lost in the sauce a little.

Idk about East Coast, but tbh it probably is closer to Midwesterners dropping consonants and shit so who knows.

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ARxtwo 4 points 3 years ago

West-coaster here. They’re definitely two completely different pronunciations.

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bdonvr 1 point 3 years ago

I'm a Midwesterner living on the east coast so that's entirely possible.

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afraid_of_zombies 0 points 3 years ago

I grew up in the Appalachian and it isn't the same in my accent.

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TimewornTraveler 1 point 3 years ago

French would be like /ʒragon/ and English would be /dʒragon/

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isthingoneventhis 1 point 3 years ago

It was more like "french" how Americans think french is, sadly not actual french. It was to overemphasize the starting sound, since sometimes it's hard to isolate sounds and move them around like that (mouth position wise) when you don't commonly have other words that start with those sounds.

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shukufuku 42 points 3 years ago

Too many jrux

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ickplant 27 points 3 years ago

Jrove him to madness.

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anonymoose 24 points 3 years ago

What a tradedy 😔

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Moxvallix 3 points 3 years ago

*trajedy

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vonxylofon 2 points 3 years ago

*trajeudi

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MrSqueezles 3 points 3 years ago

Jaringly, Jave jid jeclare,
jreadfully jaft to jare
To jub 'jragon' with 'J',
jiminishing its jisplay!
joesn't jecency in jialogue care?

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LemmyKnowsBest 38 points 3 years ago

Hey smack me if you said 'dragon" and " jragon" out loud.

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Viking_Hippie 13 points 3 years ago

I'm just gonna give you a small flick on the ear since I tried but am physically unable to pronounce "jragon".

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Witchfire 7 points 3 years ago path: 0 5413718 5422088, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
0x4E4F 5 points 3 years ago

I tried it as well 🤷... sounds almost the same, except the one with the J is a bit more rough when prounouncing the first letter.

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Viking_Hippie 1 point 3 years ago

Guess you were dropped too 🤷

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0x4E4F 2 points 3 years ago

Actually, I was 😂.

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Ulfenstein 4 points 3 years ago

SMACK

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blanketswithsmallpox 38 points 3 years ago

How I wish for the day English decides to upend everything and go phonetic with a truncated alphabet and word modernization.

We'd then go to World Standard Time. It's 13:00 everywhere, not just in specific time zones. We then go to a Year 12023 Human Era International Fixed calendar.

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usualsuspect191 24 points 3 years ago

I'm with you for the alphabet and human era, but what's the thing about timezones? We'd still have to keep track of each area's normal waking/business hours, but it'd be less standardized and harder to remember unless there's something I'm missing.

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blanketswithsmallpox 14 points 3 years ago

The time zone thing means if the time on your clock reads 00:00 hours, it's 00:00 hours everywhere.

That means if I say I have a meeting at 14:00 with someone in China while I live in the USA, there's no conversion. It's 14:00 everywhere. Every clock reads the same. I know when to be on the call.

All it does is change what time people arbitrarily 'Get up', 'Fall asleep', 'start school' etc.

Say we arbitrarily say 00:00 is what 'midnight' would be in Britain at the Prime Meridian.

That means nothing really changes for Britain. But in Central Time USA, 00:00 means it's when we're just starting dinner.

No daylight savings times anywhere. Work places can set their own work times however they want. Nobody gets confused about having to convert time to different time zones for logistics which is the biggest benefit. If the ISS says it'll be over New York City at 13:37, I'll know exactly when to turn on my HAM radio.

I'd wake up at 13:00, get breakfast, be into work at 14:00. Get home at 22:00, etc.

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c0mbatbag3l 23 points 3 years ago

You've literally just shifted the problem, those two businessmen now have to both figure out what hour their daily cycle starts on, to assess if they will be free or not during the time. The idea of "business hours" would just be "so what hours on the 24h clock are you 'at work' at?'"

Same problem, different calculation.

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evranch 3 points 3 years ago

Except when you lived in that zone you'd instinctively know the local hours within a week of the change. So you just need to tell the other guy "I'm working from 0300 to 1100 tomorrow, when are you free?" Without worrying which time zone to reference.

It also would give a path to abolishing DST, since the main reason it still exists is "because other places so it". Using a global time would allow local areas to implement DST or not based on their own preference, without affecting anyone else. I believe this would quickly lead to most places abolishing it.

Note that I live in Saskatchewan, one of the few DST-free zones in the world (well actually permanent DST, as we joined the time zone to our west) and it's annoying that the rest of the world is always goofing around with their clocks. It's one of those literally pointless traditions from the days of gas lamps.

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blanketswithsmallpox 1 point 3 years ago

That is about as simplistic as a model as I can possibly give... now imagine the logistics of that bullshit when dealing with multiple time zones and actual transit times lol.

You can lament the fact that you're trying to be kind and figure out a good time for a call in such a situation when there's NEVER going to be a good one anyway.

With this, it takes out EVERY extra timezone calculation for shipping, receiving, internet clocks, code regarding time difference variables. SO MUCH.

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usualsuspect191 13 points 3 years ago

There'd still be "timezones" where the divisions on what times everyone lives by are drawn, right? Like, in this state business hours are 14:00 to 22:00, and over at this other place it's 00:00 to 08:00. For simplicity and commerce those boundaries would likely look very much like timezones...

You'll still need to convert to the local time like we do now in order to know what part of the day that time is, but instead of doing that conversion once, you'll then you do it for all sorts of things and keep track of all the different times everything is in that other place too. Currently, you can look up the time it is somewhere (or add/subtract a number of hours if you're old-school) and when you see it's 8am, you know it's morning there. If there are no timezones, knowing it's 8am doesn't actually tell you anything anymore.

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blanketswithsmallpox 3 points 3 years ago

The point is that if I say 6 p.m., you don't know what that means for Mexico, and South Africa, and Malaysia anyway. Not only that, but the vast majority of the world that depends on those times don't care if it's 1st shift's lunchtime. The world runs 24/7. It doesn't just run from dawn til dusk.

Any of this 'extra step' calculation you're imagining is something people already do needlessly. This way those 'time zones' don't matter.

Train ships from NewYork at 1:00 a.m. and arrives at destination at 7:00 a.m., it then gets offloaded and trucked to Walmart at 11:00 a.m.

Congrats, no having to compensate for time zone differences. A=B=C

Not A=B-1 back to B+1 because you happen to ship over an arbitrary time zone line.

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CoggyMcFee 11 points 3 years ago

Plus a bunch of people would have the day turn over into the next day in the middle of the work day, which would be pretty inconvenient.

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blanketswithsmallpox -1 points 3 years ago

How so? Becky, I need you on that zoom call on Wednesday, 00:30 with our distributor Carlos in Mexico, the tax agent Amahle in South Africa, and our ship Captain who's currently in Malaysia.

No confusion. Everyone knows what time they need to turn on the PC.

No conversions for PC times, no shipping time charts, none of it.

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CoggyMcFee 10 points 3 years ago

You don’t see an inconvenience living in a place where a restaurant’s hours are

Wed 9pm - Thu 7am

Thu 9pm - Fri 6am

Fri 9pm - Sat 9am

And it seems perfectly fine to have it be ambiguous when you say something is tomorrow if you mean after lunch or after you sleep?

You can’t think of any clerical, banking, or technical inconveniences with having things carry over into the next day in the middle of the day?

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Yearly1845 4 points 3 years ago
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Sagifurius 2 points 3 years ago

I feel like if wednesday at 3pm is the same worldwide, Thursday never comes.

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funkless_eck 17 points 3 years ago

ˈwʊdnt ɪt biː ˈbɛtə ʤʌst tuː juːz aɪ-piː-eɪ fɔːr ɔːl ˈlæŋɡwɪʤɪz ðɛn?

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ornery_chemist 5 points 3 years ago

aɪ noː jɚ ˈbiːɪŋ fəˈsiːʃəs, bʌt ˈɪŋglɪʃ ˈvɑʊəlz ɛsˈpɛʃəli kən biː ə ˈɹiːəl ˈklʌstɚfʌk. ɪf ə wɚd ɪz tə biː ˌjunɪˈvɚsəli ˈɹɛkəgnaɪzd baɪ ɪts ˈspɛlɪŋ, ðɛn ðə ˈspɛlɪŋ wɪl nɑt ˈfeɪθfəli ˌɹɛpɹɪˈzɛnt mɛni ˈpiplz pɹəˌnʌnsiˈeɪʃənz... so nɑʊ ju hæv ðə seɪm ˈpɹɑbləm æz bəˈfoɹ ɛkˈsɛpt wɪθ ˈhɑrdɚ-tə-taɪp ˈlɛtɚz.

ʃwɑ ɪn pɑɹˈtɪkulɚ ɪz ə hoːl ˈʃɪtʃoː ɑn ɪts oːn

ɑn ðæt noːt, gɛs weɹ aɪ gɹuː ʌp :)

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CurlyMoustache 2 points 3 years ago

Is thi# arameic?

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funkless_eck 3 points 3 years ago

IPA. it's English but with the phonetic symbols for each sound (instead of letters, so "ng" is actually one symbol: ŋ, and soft "th" is ð)

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TimewornTraveler 2 points 3 years ago

I'm shite at reading accents from IPA but I'm gonna guess northern England. Or California. Dynamic extremes! Which is right?

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cucumber_sandwich 4 points 3 years ago

Not really. There's accents and things that mess that up.

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ytg 1 point 3 years ago

Not really, because of accent differences. The best you could do is account for all phonemes distinguished across standardized varieties, regardless of their phonetic realization. Of course, you couldn't possibly account for all of them (e.g. distinguishing the Australian /æ/ vs /æː/ would be troublesome for British and American speakers).

Hīr'z æn icsperimentăl sistăm ðæt s̄ūd würc ăcros SSBI (SSBE) ænd DĂ (GAmerican). Æz jū cæn sī, homăfounz ār spelt aidenticăly, wīc fōrmz ārn't rităn æt ōl, ænd plein vauălz ār dz̄enărăly jūz'd wið ðēr Roumæns saundz.

Strüt-Fut-Gūs-Cjur-Für Cit-Flīs-Nīr-Fir-Hæpy Dres-Feis-Scwēr-Fern Træp-Mauþ-Prais-Baþ-Pām-Stārt Cloþ-Ts̄ois-Löt-Þōt-Nōrþ Cömă-Letăr (tuc ðæt wün from Roumeiniăn)

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JimVanDeventer 7 points 3 years ago

How I wish for the day English decides to upend everything and go phonetic with a truncated alphabet and word modernization.

Also, drop the whole uppercase and lowercase nonsense. Just pick one!

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Witchfire 13 points 3 years ago

UPPERCASE IT IS, WE LOUD NOW

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Mandarbmax 6 points 3 years ago

THE QUIET UPSETS SLANESH

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Ookami38 5 points 3 years ago

Not gonna lie, I like the cases if only to make scanning for proper nouns easier. The capital letters stick out. Maybe keep caps only for proper nouns.

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blanketswithsmallpox 1 point 3 years ago

I was having this debate a week ago when dealing with those strange proper noun cases like departments in an organization. They're sorta proper nouns, but then when generalized it goes back lowercase. Security Department vs security escorted them out of the building.

Having cursive, lower, and upper cases is really dumb though.

We could just add a new letter to denote a proper noun? Kick it up to modern relevancy with the @ or #? Lol.

MAYBE DO IT SPANISH STYLE AND SURROUND IT? @JOHN SMITH #JOHN SMITH#

No more having to use shift regularly.

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Ookami38 2 points 3 years ago

There's definitely some weirdness in that. I feel like it's an edge case, though, and could just say to either refer to them as the full Security Department, or capitalize Security as well. Or go the German route and just capitalize all nouns, they're usually the most important part of a written sentence anyway.

Thinking about it further, there are a few use cases for caps in readability. Abbreviated, for example, so they're not interpreted as a word. I think the only one I really struggle with WRT capitalization is the arbitrary capitalization of beginning words.

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0x4E4F 5 points 3 years ago

That's a neat way to travel into the future 👍.

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Sagifurius 5 points 3 years ago
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TimewornTraveler 4 points 3 years ago

English could never go phonetic because of regional differences

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blanketswithsmallpox 1 point 3 years ago

Why would that change anything? Standard English is already the bar which it's based on. Do you think other phonetic languages like Korean don't have dialects?

Just because the UK's ability to speak English is fucked doesn't mean the written language doesn't have to be lol.

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TimewornTraveler 1 point 3 years ago

well Korean does have that issue in some cases, such as 잎 being pronounced 닢. and it is standardized based on Seoul hemegony, while southern dialects speak differently from how it's written. and then you have jeju dialect (jeju language) which is a whole other beast

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zeekaran 3 points 3 years ago

13 month calendar pleeeease. Every holiday can be on Friday or Monday.

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TopRamenBinLaden 28 points 3 years ago

Imajin Jragons

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Kolanaki 19 points 3 years ago

The spelling of someone who's breathing in the chemicals

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afraid_of_zombies 19 points 3 years ago

What accent is this? In mine the D is hard and it sounds different

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otp 17 points 3 years ago

I believe it's called affrication -- changing a stop to a fricative.

T can become "ch", and d can become a "j" sound.

This can happen in some North American accents when you have a T or D followed by an r or a y sound.

Train might sound like Chrain*, Drain might sound like Jrain.

My favourite is "Tuesday", where some people add a y before the "oo" sound, and it becomes "Chewsday". Or "Chewsdi" if they shorten the "day" to "dee".

The "y" before "oo" can also happen in words like news and tube, giving us a potential for "Chyoob" instead of "tube".

I've found that t to ch before r is more common among Gen X and younger, and Boomers tend to only make the change before y. But Gen X and younger tend to not have the y in words like "tube", so that comes up less often.

D to J before r seems to be pretty common in all ages.

Getting people to hear the difference can be hard, especially if they're self conscious about it. If you can get someone to say "Dane" and "Drain" (without saying the words yourself), then you can probably hear the difference...as long as they don't know that you're listening for a dr => jr sound change. Most people, even those who make tr => chr and dr => jr naturally are still capable of producing pure "tr" and "dr" if they try.

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ICastFist 4 points 3 years ago

TLDR - english accents allow for grotesque changes in phonetics and think it's ok

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otp 5 points 3 years ago

I wouldn't call it grotesque. "t" and "ch" are very similar sounds, phonetically.

I think we're all okay with language change, unless you're pronouncing the k in "knife", the p in pterodactyl, and the gh in "laugh" glottally instead of like an "f".

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ICastFist 2 points 3 years ago

The knight's knife shines in the night. Now with an aussie accent:

the noyt's noyf shoyns in the noyt

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pete_the_cat 3 points 3 years ago

I never noticed that since I'm from the North East, but that definitely comes from our British ancestors. I always laugh at Simon Whistler (from his many YouTube channels) when he says "tube" because it definitely sounds like "chewb" 😂

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i_dont_want_to 6 points 3 years ago

TMI

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afraid_of_zombies 8 points 3 years ago

You don't want to hear about my hard D? Why not? Is there some reason why I shouldn't talk about it? Very well, would you like me to show you it?

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diaphanous 4 points 3 years ago

This is a great video explaining the phenomenon

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Sagifurius 3 points 3 years ago
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Cosmicomical 15 points 3 years ago

English language doesn't have an alphabet - change my mind (especially british, but american only made one step in the right direction and then stopped)

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mcmoor 21 points 3 years ago path: 0 5426693 5427706, hotness: undefined, score: 21, children: 3
Cosmicomical 12 points 3 years ago

But it's really not a fun fact

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Cosmicomical 8 points 3 years ago

Exactly! That's the most appropriate description!

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name_NULL111653 3 points 3 years ago

Literal anglo runes work better lol... To the point that we added some to our Latin alphabet (U, J)

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Konstant 15 points 3 years ago

Jragon deez nuts on your face.

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ASeriesOfPoorChoices 1 point 3 years ago

jeez nuts.

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TropicalDingdong 15 points 3 years ago

giragon

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Resol 13 points 3 years ago

I don't know why I can actually tell the difference phonetically between "dragon" and "jragon", maybe I just pronounce things weirdly.

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OutlierBlue 33 points 3 years ago

I think it's because d and j are different letters and are pronounced different.

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Resol 2 points 3 years ago

Maybe the D being aspirated sounds similar to what sound the J makes.

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Resol 2 points 3 years ago

Oh. Yeah I actually never noticed this.

Jk, one of my favorite YouTubers says iChoons just for fun.

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candybrie 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 5413866 5414108 5419697, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
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sigh 12 points 3 years ago

jropped

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tiny_electron 11 points 3 years ago

Oh shit he is right

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Ghostalmedia 11 points 3 years ago

Shut up and pass the pasghetti.

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Kase 1 point 3 years ago

pusjedi

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Tavarin 8 points 3 years ago

Not in my accent.

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FrigidAphelion 11 points 3 years ago
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pirat 4 points 3 years ago

Giraffis

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TimewornTraveler 10 points 3 years ago

J is often /d3/ in English so yea there's a D

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name_NULL111653 4 points 3 years ago

Джрагон... Cyrillic makes so much more sense, why the heck did we have to get stuck with Latin (+ 2 runes)...?

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ickplant 2 points 3 years ago

You must speak Russian or similar. Always nice to see some unexpected Cyrillic.

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name_NULL111653 2 points 3 years ago

Немного...

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ickplant 3 points 3 years ago

That makes me think of the Hunt for the Red October. I grew up in Russia and still speak the language, feeling too lazy to switch keyboards right now. Did you learn it as a hobby or for work, if you don't mind me asking?

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EmperorHenry 9 points 3 years ago
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hiramfromthechi 9 points 3 years ago

In high school, I wrote a play for my creative writing class where I named the main character Jrue—named after Jrue Holiday, one of my favorite basketball players.

I remember the teacher got a kick out of it.

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WereCat 8 points 3 years ago

Geesus... You're write!

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glnpf148 8 points 3 years ago

*your

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Neil 5 points 3 years ago
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troglodytis 2 points 3 years ago

y*ar

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 3 years ago

Theyir

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Kolanaki 8 points 3 years ago

Jungeons and Jragons

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ASeriesOfPoorChoices 2 points 3 years ago

Roll the jice. 1J20 to attack.

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konalt 8 points 3 years ago

dragoj

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cerement 7 points 3 years ago

drajon

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HappySashimi 6 points 3 years ago

Jropped*

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dQw4w9WgXcQ 6 points 3 years ago

I'm sure the Swedes would find a way yo fuck it up. "Yeah-ragon" or "Ji-ragon" or something.

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foxymulder 5 points 3 years ago

deuce, dews, jews, juice

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HiddenLayer5 2 points 3 years ago

lead, led

don, dawn

but, butt

you, yew

so, sow, sew, soul

pain, pane, Payne

John, Jon, Jean, Jaune

Was only gonna due the first example butt turns out English has a lot of these.

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HenryWong327 10 points 3 years ago

It really depends on accent. For me, half of these sound very different.

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Tugboater203 4 points 3 years ago

This thread and all its comments make me itchy.

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ohlaph 4 points 3 years ago

Haha

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sleeped 4 points 3 years ago

Jragon des nutz on ur face

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greenteadrinker 3 points 3 years ago

My favorite version of this joke was seeing NakeyJakey spell Drew as Jrew as a gag, which makes Anjrew a valid spelling too

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glibg10b 0 points 3 years ago

Kill the Drews

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