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crashfrog 11 points 3 years ago

In 2020 I voted for Trump because knew Biden would be bad.

You thought that a man with decades of successful experience as a legislator and executive would be worse than the inexperienced guy who couldn't staff his own White House and presided over the loss of more jobs and lives than in any time since the Great Depression and the Civil War, respectively?

He has done better than I expected

Maybe that should prompt some self-reflection.

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wintermute_oregon -3 points 3 years ago

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crashfrog 8 points 3 years ago

He hasn’t done near as good as Trump. We are engaged in several conflicts, inflation is high, etc.

The US was engaged in a number of conflicts under Trump, including the war and occupation of Afghanistan, which were ended by Biden. Trump's administration was singularly disastrous for the United States - reductions in life expectancy, increases in the number of Americans addicted to drugs, and quite famously, fires and riots in the centers of most major cities which Trump was totally unable to control. Another thing Trump was unable to control: the spread of the novel coronavirus inside the United States.

Objectively Trump is bad at being President. I don't see how a conservative can dispute that - Trump's tenure was a riotous time in both the US and the world.

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wintermute_oregon -2 points 3 years ago

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crashfrog 8 points 3 years ago

Trump didn’t start those and the wars didn’t start under Trump.

I didn't say that he did, but you said we weren't in conflict under Trump, and that's false.

Trump did expand the conflicts in a number of theaters, resulting in the deaths of US servicemen; you just don't remember noticing because he was responsible for so much domestic chaos, too.

The president isn’t in charge of drug addiction.

There's literally a Federal agency, reporting to the President, that regulates and interdicts drug traffic in the United States. The President literally is in charge of drug addiction.

The riots were democrats rioting.

You're saying that Trump couldn't possibly have won left-of-center votes?

Look, it strikes me that a politician - whose job is to build a popular consensus around a slate of policies and ideals - who winds up being absolutely hated by well over half of the American people, hated enough to take to the streets about it, can't be said to be very good at the job.

Neither could Biden or Europe or rest of the world.

There were three virus outbreaks during the Obama administration that you don't even remember because rapid and effective action by the administration prevented them from being national pandemics. So actually not only could Biden, but Biden did. Trump sat on his own balls on his first one. That's pretty bad! Trump was objectively bad at the job, there's just no question about it once you move beyond special pleading ("it was a virus! Who could have predicted?!" lol) and excuse-making.

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MomoTimeToDie -4 points 3 years ago

You thought that a man with decades of successful experience as a legislator and executive would be worse than the inexperienced guy who couldn't staff his own White House and presided over the loss of more jobs and lives than in any time since the Great Depression and the Civil War, respectively?

And it was proven true, so....

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crashfrog 3 points 3 years ago

And it was proven true

Literally the opposite of that is what's true. The BLM riots? COVID-19? Job losses on a scale not seen since the Great Depression?

Are these not ringing any bells? I guess if you didn't open a newspaper or use a phone between 2017-2021, yeah, you'd have a lot of questions about what had been happening around you.

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MomoTimeToDie -4 points 3 years ago

Lmao you genuinely believe trump was the source of covid and caused the blm riots?

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crashfrog 3 points 3 years ago

I didn't say either of those things, no.

But the President of the United States has a responsibility to the safety of Americans and to the defense of civil order, and Trump manifestly failed in those responsibilities due to his incompetence and poor character.

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einlander -1 points 3 years ago

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