Somebody has to mine the gold the streets are paved with.
TokenBoomer 85 points 3 years ago
TokenBoomer 27 points 3 years ago
Coffee is a drug, so none of that in heaven
NounsAndWords 41 points 3 years ago
There is a singular authoritarian dictator. You may not disobey. The punishment for your first infraction is eternal torture.
But otherwise...yes. Getting to heaven is about winning, and you can't be a winner without there being losers.
evranch 14 points 3 years ago
you can't be a winner without there being losers
There's no biblical reasoning why everyone can't go to heaven, losers are not mandatory. In fact in Christianity, "Jesus died for your sins," so supposedly you get a free pass as long as you aren't a big piece of shit.
It's the Jehovah's witnesses that think there is limited space in heaven, it's what motivates them to convert everyone. By converting so many unbelievers, they'll rise up the ranks and get that heaven spot for themself. The people they converted? Doomed to hell, I suppose. A sacrifice to get them into heaven.
JWs are pretty messed up.
MyFairJulia 2 points 3 years ago
TIL that Watchtower Society runs christianity like a Ponzi scheme
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SuddenDownpour 68 points 3 years ago
Classless? Having almost everyone be forced to eternally worship one dude sounds like classes to me.
WhatAmLemmy 10 points 3 years ago
And worthy is largely arbitrary and contradictory... So god is a fascist, apparently...
Stupidmanager 39 points 3 years ago
Classless?!?! Haha, someone look up the heaven flow chart (yes really) for Mormons. 3 levels of heaven and outer darkness (hell). For those that make it to the top, congrats on being a god! You and your many wives will enjoy eternity as you crush the hopes and dreams of your own creation.
Stupidmanager 5 points 3 years ago
Hah. It’s implied
Randomunemployment 4 points 3 years ago
Not exclusive to Mormons. Devine comedy dictates different levels of heaven. Enoch also states levels of heaven.
TheEighthDoctor 7 points 3 years ago
To be honest the Divine Comedy is fanfiction and not canon
Randomunemployment 3 points 3 years ago
Granted but it is held in high regard by many popes, including the current.
ericbomb 2 points 3 years ago
Oh I was gonna say same thing!
Don't forget that in Mormon only heaven, there are three ranks there! Also women swear to serve their husband's.
So to be the highest rank you have to be a male priesthood holder rank 1 of celestial kingdom.
Thief_of_Crows 9 points 3 years ago
I mean, yeah probably. Jesus was pretty clearly a socialist, though I'm not studied enough in socialism or the bible to say which version of socialist he was.
afraid_of_zombies 1 point 2 years ago
Including their women. There are little hints. Paul seems worked up about permissive sex going around, the earliest Gospel has Jesus spend a surprisingly high amount of time, for a rabbi, alone with women. James and Cephus would need a motivation to keep the failing Jerusalem church going, Mary Magedlian seems to have made enemies where she is accused of being permissive (every conservative accusation is a confession), records of lots of children of James, and a cryptic stuff about how there would be no gender in the future and no gender before Jesus. The last line was uttered by a person who told people to unquestionably follow James.
History of early Christianity makes so much sense if you just treat it like any other cult. Sex, money, power. James and Cephus didn't have money or power so what else could it be?
SatansMaggotyCumFart 3 points 3 years ago
It’ll be just like North Korea!
TokenBoomer 1 point 2 years ago
If communism isn’t realistic, then why do I live in a community? Checkmate theists!
TokenBoomer 1 point 2 years ago
If communism isn’t realistic, then why do I live in a community? Checkmate theists!
52fighters 1 point 3 years ago
St. Thomas Aquinas taught that in the natural law all property was part of the commons and that only human law changed this.
I think the major Christian objection to communism is the materialist dialectic.
Sibbo -1 points 3 years ago
Arguably, in heaven all resources are ready and abundant, while on earth everything takes time and effort.
So yeah, if you can just pick a freshly baked pizza from the next tree anytime, why would you need any incentive to work on anything?
On the other hand, on earth, pizzas take time and resources to make. Hence if one person makes pizza, that person may not want to give it to people who simply choose to do nothing all day.
Concluding, this comparison does not really work.
TokenBoomer 37 points 3 years ago
Communism has existed
TheDoozer 19 points 3 years ago
It is significantly easier to establish communism in a small community, where you can see the people daily that you consider part of your tribe, than a national communism where the work you put in benefits someone on the far side of the country that you've never met, and may consider them as part of your "tribe" on an intellectual level, but not much beyond that.
Choomtozen 26 points 3 years ago
You already put in work that benefits someone that you’ve never met, in this case it’s a billionaire. I’d rather pay for someone’s lunch than another yacht ykwim
Draghetta 3 points 3 years ago
Sure but you’d also rather benefit a nobody in exchange for money than you would in exchange of “trust me bro”. As you say, you’re working to benefit somebody else in both ways, but only one gives you immediate positive feedback. In enormous societies such as modern countries are you need a strong stimulus to work, money provides that but benefits don’t - you would see much more people happy to pay taxes otherwise.
Not that I wouldn’t love living in a Star Trek federation like communist society, but we ain’t there yet
rikudou 1 point 3 years ago
I believe you would. But it wouldn't happen, you'd be still paying for the rich. Instead of lying about trickle down economy they'd sell you lies about everyone being equal.
We had the Soviet version of "communism" when those fuckers occupied us. Never again.
Alsephina 16 points 3 years ago
Yeah, that's why we need a transition period of Socialism.
That period has to be generations long however and on a multinational scale to set the stage for eliminating money and the state so we'll probably never see Communism on a national scale in our lifetime. Socialism's good enough though tbh
ZzyzxRoad 2 points 3 years ago
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Kind of relevant, minus the religion and customs.
TheSanSabaSongbird 1 point 3 years ago
Communism only in the sense that the need for mobility/a nomadic lifestyle means that private property exists only insofar as you can carry it with you. It doesn't work in settled agricultural societies because once a person becomes attached to a specific piece of land as is necessary in agriculture, other types of private property become possible and personal incentives begin to diverge such that the only way to achieve or maintain communism ends up being through coercion.
TokenBoomer 1 point 3 years ago
We don’t farm enough anymore.
GhostsAreShitty 15 points 3 years ago
Username tracks
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MxM111 -12 points 3 years ago
The communism can be build, but so far the attempts required dictatorship type of government to keep the people in line. In future, it might happen though automatically, when our relationship to AI is akin our pet relationship to us now. Pets live under communism.
Draghetta 11 points 3 years ago
Pets do what now?
Pets live lives of luxury that they would never be able to afford were it not for somebody else’s toil. They don’t go hungry and they want for nothing, even medical expenses are provided by the people who serve them. Humans do all the work and pets reap all the benefits. They make us feel guilty if we stop providing for them and this is just how things are and have always been.
Pets are the ultimate capitalists.
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LaurelRerun 5 points 3 years ago
Except for all the ones that don't have homes, all the ones that are abused, and all the ones that do jobs every day.
Killercat103 6 points 3 years ago
Every Communist that isn't authoritarian would like to disagree with you. Anarchists are not Marxist-Lenninists for example
Tedesche -2 points 3 years ago
It doesn’t really matter—it’s inherent to the system. It’s built on a violent overthrow of the current system, followed by a single-party “transitional” government that never actually transitions and violently suppressed all opposition. Every communist movement that has ever taken over a nation state has devolved into an authoritarian dictatorship. Communists-lite like to call that a big, but it’s pretty clear to me and most other people that it’s a feature.
Sanyanov 5 points 3 years ago
How about Chile, for example? They had a left-wing front consisting of socialists and communists that came to power without any violence through a purely democratic process, was fairly popular with electorate, and then got forcefully overthrown by CIA-backed military junta in 1973 (cause surprise-surprise: a socialist/communist state in South America was not in US's interests, and it was a cold war era).
There is nothing inherent about transitional government or even violent overthrow of a current system, communism in its purest form is only about creating the economy that distributes wealth according to people's needs. It doesn't automatically describe the means to get there, and what was conducted in 20th century was an attempt to implement one of the ways mapped by 19th-20th century thinkers.
Some communists will say the general direction was right, but the implementation wrong; some others will say the approach itself was wrong and we need to start building communist society in an entirely different way. Both will be communists.
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So the asshole who posted this claims after we die and go to heaven it's going to be the same shit that we have right now?!
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