What the fuck are you talking about?

No u.

You are aware that most people dont have unlimited funds right?

You are aware the servers you're stiffing are part time workers without healthcare or vacation time at all and they're also struggling to afford basic life, right? While the people that won't tip can afford to fly halfway across the fucking world for their precious soccy game? Talk about out of touch lmao.

Fuck your budget, stay home.

But you thought i suggested the waiters conspired to raise transport prices?

OH my mistake you've never experienced sarcasm before. Bless your heart you sweet summer child. Fucking christ.

Because that's the obvious conclusion or what?

If that is the justification you're giving for why they can't tip those specific servers than I guess so, they must have slighted you personally if they're the ones that get the shaft. Unless you're a bad person...

No, I'm not insane.

Debatable

But you're an idiot stuck at a second grade reading level.

Oh look there's that "no u" again! Funny thing that. Hey don't get mad at me you're the one blaming servers for what was it, bus prices or some dumb fucking bullshit? Fuck off lmao.

I'd like to see you get everyone in the entire country to agree on ANYTHING, including but not limited to, not tipping.

Tips are what let's them get away with, by paying tips you are actually subsidizing the owner of the restaurant.

You subsidizing the owner directly by paying the menu price is worse than "just the tip™" by a long shot. At best they start paying bare minimum wage (absolutely not livable) and upcharge you and keep it. You're so naïve to how it works here I'd bet either you've never even been here, or you've never left an inuslar bubble much larger than your house.

they must be beyond unintelligent if they see their peers getting corrected or arrested but still step up to the plate to make the exact same mistake. That would imply either complete idiocy or malicious intent.

Interesting. Kinda like how the Euros must be beyond unintelligent if they see their peers getting corrected on tipping but still step up to the plate to make the exact same mistake. That would imply either complete idiocy or malicious intent, indeed.

The owner then fires them and replaces them with another from the endless wave of people desperate enough, and the cycle continues. Woo hoo.

Well that's just outright false. If it happened en masse there likely would be articles and people do whine all the time online about it.

Sorry, either that was for one of the other 40 of you or it was meant to be the royal "you," depending. And I'm not going back to figure out which.

But that's good that you do (if you go places that require it).

Sure, I'm all for it, my arguments are varied about the 40 of you but the jist is as follows:

• Sure it'd be great if it changed, but
• it has not. So while you're here visiting the country either
• don't go to tipped places if you refuse to tip, or
• tip if you do,
• because not tipping only hurts the worker.
• no it doesn't "hurt the boss too,"
• no it isn't "the only way to change the system,"
• it isn't even a way to change the system
• and even if it was, it's not going to happen in time for the people who are already here to see it
• sure accidents happen, you may not know
• once you learn, if you choose not to tip the worker that has only committed the mortal sin of serving your food
• it just makes you an asshole.

(For context in this one I definitely mean the royal "you," not the "you" you. "You" you said you do tip lol.)

No it's not america bad like always but right now fuck yeah when you greedy bastards claim it's wrong for a guest in your country with literal culture and societal differences to not know tipping is such a big deal

Hell yeah I'll keep that attitude next time I go abroad, not my problem to learn your customs it's your problem dealing with Americans, sucks to suck I guess, get America'd on.

Just look at that phrasing a nice habit eh,

The "please don't fire me boss I need to feed my children" phrasing? Yeah, ask her off record (if whoever quoted that is a server, if they're the owner, there's your answer.)

I agree, add 35%.

Sure, but unless you can fix it yesterday, before they got here, this is the system they're visiting.

The US vowed to offer free public transit for World Cup tourists in their bid to host it. Instead once push came to shove. They increased their prices instead of upholding what they promised.

Oh yeah I forgot about that, all the waiters in the country got together and conspired to do that to personally fuck you, I remember that meeting.

You think the people you're not tipping had anything to do with that? You're insane.

Yeah, not in the US. Here if it says $19.99 for anything anywhere you know that's not including tax, because that is how it works here.

We can talk about how it should be all day and we likely agree, the difference is that you refuse to recognize what is, and think hurting the worker by not tipping but making them serve you for free (instead of boycotting exploitative businesses entirely) is the answer.

Just don't go. That's it, it's that simple.

Not how it works, the employer goes "sucks don't it?" And then when you get fed up enough to leave they hire another person who is about a week away from homelessness to continue the cycle. Your naivety is astounding.

Because when the customer doesn't tip, it hurts the server who is already likely barely scraping by. It's not a big deal if you're a customer that doesn't care about the worker, or if you're the owner of the restaurant, however.

Sure, but until they do, don't support exploitative businesses, or if you do, at least take care of the worker being exploited instead of doubling down on it and making it worse for them.

The tips aren't only subsidizing the restaurant owner, they're also what makes sure your server can eat and afford rent, until that changes not tipping only hurts the worker.

Fair, I should clarify, don't ask another European customer. Ask someone who has been here for more than a week, we know by the type of restaurant.

If you're sitting in a chair being served by a person, that's a safe bet. The ones in this category that do pay fairly will usually tell you, they're pretty rare so they kind of have to.

If you order from a counter or screen and take it out or sit down? Optional. They get paid, some better than others, but they get paid. These new screens will still ask for a tip but ignore that, it's new and doesn't need to be any more normalized than it already is. Exception: Coffee/bars. For some reason a lot of them aren't paid well but even then you can just put a dollar in the jar for coffee or tip 20% at the bar at the end of the night. Some of these places still don't even have the screens that ask yet, thankfully.

That's about the long and short of it.

And the one who supports the employer that doesn't pay their workers fairly: The customer. It's both of you especially if you're "hitting the server for their own good" by not tipping and pretending that makes you a good person.

I DO already boycott all businesses that make servers rely on tips for a livable wage. I do also tip servers for good service, but it is in addition to their wage, not to make up what the employer refuses to pay.

Good, that's what I'm saying.

It really is that easy.

Hey, that's my line!

Seriously, it isn't that hard. There's plenty of lesser quality but still very good chains to choose from in the Five Guys tier if you don't want to tip.

Hell, guess what I do when I don't want to tip, I go to one of those lol, it's not like I don't practice what I preach here!

Talk to the worker, or ask any random person you meet, even another patron. "Excusé moi how you say do we tip here?" They'll tell you honestly.

It is your business as the customer in the transaction, it isn't your business if you don't go in.

Not every place, many do eat the cost, but many do charge the waiter as if it's their responsibility to stop you, yes.

It's definitely theft. If I go into a store, open a coke, take a sip, go "eww" and walk out, the store can no longer sell that used coke and has to trash it. Same at a restaurant.

It is, and one day some policeman might stop you if they want to hassle you about it, ime they find their reasons and that's one. But you do you, plenty people steal every day, most draw a moral line between stealing from corporations (ok) and stealing from little mom and pop places (bad) but that's really up to you, and people can judge you according to their personal line on that.

Well that's good, but might not always work that way, one day one may call.

(From the service they claim to get, I'd bet regularly and at the same restaurants that remember their no-tipping ass and want them to not come back.)

I think you're attempting to be facetious, but like

YES.