The enemy of my enemy is not my friend

Sweet relief to read that.

Too many eagerly saying the enemy of their enemy is their friend, sometimes not just drifting from their principles, but running as fast as they can, for immediate-term perception of power.

Those who sacrifice their principles, to have friends, end up with neither.

Great point.

Fun suggestion:

Slip work's radio a usb stick, surreptitiously, some day, with better tunes and none of the crap.

And (of course) a bigger collection, that won't loop over the same so soon.

Edit: I blocked your dumbass as the methods you misunderstand are niche and don’t work large scale.

Pity. That's a point I'd have liked to explore, and liked to have helped you explore with some socratic queries and efforts to elaborate and evolve the idea for further exploration of the possibilities and exceptions, if not just finding unfounded misconceptions. Alas, you seemed thoroughly repulsed by the idea of entertaining an idea, and saw it as a threat, like were identity-attached to some idea that seemed challenged. Like the ol' poetic quip says, invitingly, reassuringly: "the ignorance that dies is not you."

My points about morphic resonance and the chicago experiment seem[ed to me to] already establish it does work large scale. So I would have loved to have learned what was behind that contradiction argument, if there were reason there to bump it up to a counterargument, so the search for the truth could continue.

The areas it does not work, seem more niche, in the acute.

If you listen to Daryl Davis' stories enough, you soon realise it's not a simple thing without risk of harm or loss of life. Of course. Confronting the most stubborn and extreme in their bigotry and ignorance, is non-trivial with regards to risk, as much as it is worthy, when done so, so productively. It's not easy, especially when ones own psyche, even, ironically, ones own prejudices, are sabotaging even the will to help a fellow human, or even see them as a fellow human, even casting them as sub-human. Yet through all the strife and dangerous situations he's been in (~ even with his methods to help assure his safety, knowing well the intricacies of what he approached), it's hard to argue with his results. How many have I inspired to leave hate groups? I know not. In person, that I know of for sure? Zero. That's worthy of positive reception, someone coming along with a story of how he's responsible for helping inspire over 200 individuals to come out of their ignorance and leave such groups, and worthy of embracing as inspirational. No? Like I say, I've seen negative reactions, but, yet to find the wording to successfully invite cogent reasoned argument against it. Someone shows you a way, (with evidence, with first hand witness testimonies), that accomplishes your goal, effectively infinitely better than your current way, ... how you react to that may show if you're seeking remedy (like if you're asking to know more about it), or have succumbed to some secondary benefit, some secondary metric incentive, perverting you from a path towards achieving that better world, like if you attack the messenger, to protect your subconscious supply.

Love me some thought provoking stuff. And Daryl Davis' story, as a positive proposition of remedy, in reply to the OP situation (with or without my original reply's characterisation), is for sure rousing some very positive thoughts. Inspires hope of an easier time mendwards than the futility of all our flailing in frustration only making it worse (and being in denial about that, chasing catharsis, instead of just caring and letting that convert.

Imagine some people with Daryl Davis' temprament, getting in between those groups that have had the cartoon worst of each depicted to each other? The calm space he'd manage to hold, that'd break through the hate and fear and desperation, allowing more learning and understanding, giving a chance for respect, of the individual, mutually, no longer simply reaffirming the cartoon icons of hate and plastering those summations across the whole group, readying them for collective punishment. There's no room to plant seed that'd have any chance, when still constantly battling the beasts in the field and trying to plough constantly. And remember, it's not just no chance of remedy, going at them angry for catharsis in ignorance of opposaming. It's escalation. Come at a groupthink with your own groupthink, you're just going to be perceived as a threat to their groupthink, and in being unrelenting, and violently aggressive, as your groupthink, especially when confronting their groupthink, assuredly is, and therefor their groupthink pushes back all the louder with the ideas they've attached their identity to, escalated worse with the groupthink effect where each are spurred on to be more extreme to prove your loyalty to the group... Can you see why that's not a wise approach, and requires... requires... something that's not making it worse! Sure, the instinct, the impulse, is to attack. How's that working out for you? When coming to offer something to someone in a groupthink when you're not in your own groupthink, they may still attack, but you wont engage in the ongoing escalation, because you're not in that desperate fear, and can remain calm, knowing your existence, your life, is not at threat because of the existence of different ideas to your own, because you're not your ideas. This makes it easier to be more effective in tackling the issues arising from some people having ideas so ignorant that they may take dangerous harmful actions. When you see this done, the contrast is night and day. I wish I were better at sharing the idea... but then, running aground here as I have, kinda just shows the terrain, the living boot-camp we're all in, with regards to this stuff. That counter-intuitive wisdom of the monk, reveals the way, yet we lag in the emotion of attachment. And yet, this is still the way.

And still the echoes continue reverberate, "the things we hate in others, are the things we hate in ourselves yet do not face", and so much easier then to confront the bigot out there, when have had compassion for the bigot within.

All else equal, I'll take the chance of mends, over the certainty of worsening.

Why was this removed??

The log says "trolling". ???

What part of that was interpreted as trolling? (Honest question. Not rhetorical dismissiveness.)

One accusation of trolling, one accusation of AI, ... given the other reactions, I can be easily forgiven for entertaining the possibility these are from a desire to attack this in absence of constructive argument on substance. ... And the "cui bono" ("who benefits") on that is a horror worth confronting. [Cui bono? Bigots. Bigots benefit from that. Getting to keep their hate groups running without this greatest efficacious challenge to them [that I know of] being shared.]. And by censorship? The means do seem fit the ends. O_O

Irony noted here too, that I was having all kinds of rule breaking responses spat at me, and I was trying to be civil and reasonable, it's one of my posts that got deleted. Flying monkey unleashed from some darvo sob story? I hate getting played into being a flying monkey. Some seem more concerned with the idea they may have been played into being a flying monkey, and run from looking at the idea. ... Same pattern spotted earlier, and sought to offer some friendly salve for. No good deed intent going unpunished. Heh. Plenty more cheek to turn. Plenty more patterns to notice, and learn the higher topology from; learn the deeper principles from, to avoid getting played as a flying monkey. And we get played in our shadow. We do not see it. Same as with getting induced to groupthink. It's kind of an essential defining component of it. Not knowing you're in it. Not knowing when slipped into groupthink, not knowing when being sent forth as a flying monkey, with your better (or worse) traits being used, likely contrary to your better interests, by the narcissist, the cluster b personality disordered psyche, the social parasite, the predator. ...And am noting this is all still on topic, through and through, and within the rules. Not trolling (never have).

spoiler The post minus the neat formatting for easier reading

I know it's counter intuitive, and emotionally challenging, but, it's hard to argue with Daryl Davis's results. And then consider the alternative... leaving them unchallenged to worsen in their echo chamber, or worse, challenged so they double down. ...[And/]Or unwittingly becoming them, as an opposame... the horror. A horror, we're all better served, facing. ... Just thinking about it has me go reach for another video (or two) about his story, so inspirational, a way out... and how few of us doing it, it would take... so many of us, who do not want be either racist nor tyrant/totalitarian, vastly outnumbering those who are nazi/kkk/etc, and if we each achieve 200 conversions out of ignorance... I know now from experience here on lemmy that a lot of people have a kneejerk reaction against the idea. Maybe not even looking into it any further to hear about it from Daryl Davis's mouth. Presumably, largely, because it's seen as somehow sanctifying and validating their perverse iniquitous hate-filled ignorant dangerous political philosophy and world view. And, as highlighted there^, they're seen as a big enough threat as to evoke merely the short term safety concern and reflex (and, would not want deprive of that ~ stay safe), but not following through the longer now, the if-then-therefors, the calm consideration that we're dis-availed in the limbic fear reflex (especially if chronically triggered, never getting a break ~ which is understandable in presence of perceived threat of being killed (or worse) by someone because of some innate trait of yours they hate), to see which way's a race to the bottom, and which way mends it. But because of the fortune of Daryl's upbringing, racism was completely alien to him, and so in the shock discovery of it, there was an innocent curiosity, and benevolent will to help these people, not in an arrogant imposing way, but just a gentle presence. And that's it. That's really all there is to it. Not saying it's good what they're doing, not threatening them with violent judgement and condemnation that merely reaffirms their identity attachment to the toxic ignorant ideas and locking out their considerate forebrains in their own defensive limbic fear reflex, just being a counter-example dispels their ignorant misconceptions and short circuits the ignorant narratives, ending their bigotry and allegiance to hate groups. 200 and counting. How many of them are there? How many of us? If the Chicago experiment had the effect it did on reducing violent crime and increasing community spirit from however many meditators it had, if we couple the Daryl Davis method, with the morphic-resonant-amplifying-esq implications of the Chicago experiment... Seriously, as dark as things seem now in kali yuga (the age of ignorance, when man kills man), satya yuga (the good times) is so very close in reach. Every little flap of our butterfly wings...

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Well done for using peertube, and sharing peertube links.

Very fitting host to walk the content's talk. (I presume, yet to watch).

Surely the bpt's the highlight.

But I really like that htop.

Yup. Ben Norton did a good piece on this topic a few days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj-hd3l4dSo

The graph (iirc about half way through maybe), with his added coloured blocks for the different eras lends some superb clarity to what's going on, the political philosophy shifting phases of accelerated worsening, and how bad it is, as in how much worse it is contrast to the worst time in history...

What we have now, makes the guilded age look like some kind of egalitarian paradi~~ well, maybe not paradise, but more egalitarian... much less egregious than would have been seen in the keynesian phase. How little they knew, of how much worse it could get, and was going to get. Pesky marketing, in rebranding same old corporate fascism as "neo-liberalism". Many likely not bothering with the term neo-feudalism, preferring the delusion there's anything "liberal" still going on. As if that limp thing were even enough to do any more than pretence on slowing down the consolidation of wealth and power even if it were what it's best definitions and ideals pronounce.

Ever played around with the maths of that?

If seeking a Robin Hood style remedy, may need tackle all the dormant pools of hoarded wealth, and all the squander.

It's fun maths to play with. If one is aware of at least a few of those pools. Especially banking, and suppressed access to resources (primary, technological, and more).

Time to switch to a radio station that's not bought by some big money agenda?

I recently got back into somafm again, after many many years hiatus.

That's been my interpretation for decades.

And throughout that, too many times fooling myself with the echo-chamber biased optimistic naive notion "everybody's going to get it soon".

Hey, maybe this time, eh?

Lawnmowers, helicopters, vacuum cleaners, hairdryers.

Although, it does not bug me until I'm flinching from the build up of chinese water torture all over on my nerves and I'm flopping around on the floor like I'm being electrocuted, with a full bore panic attack having the universe rapidly collapse on me over and over, possibly crapping myself too. Very unpleasant.

And worst about it, no one will stop, nor even make any accommodation for me, not even like merely shouting "lawnmower" to warn me when it's starting (or better yet, earlier, to let me get mega-dosed up on thiamine & benfotiamine, minerals, b-vits, cbd, ashvagandha, etc, and get noise cancelling headphones (+working batteries), and go to toilet before driving away out of earshot).

Supermarkets destroy food if it doesn't sell. We can always feed the world. We just don't.

Somehow, I dyslexic speed-reading misread that at first as:

Supremacists destroy food if it doesn't sell. We can always feed the world. We just don't.

Imagine being Vietnam (with all that happened), and having such a favourable view of America.

66%. This seems low.

I suspect they were being polite.

Very honourable.

This did increase my interest in moving there.

Agnotology, cha cha cha.

Basically have ceased using mobile phones since he confirmed our "paranoid" suspicions. Boggles my mind how others can carry on. It's like they've been hypnotised out of understanding their duty to poke big baron in the eye.

... I have no camera.

This new CAPTCHA's prejudicial and exclusionary.

Not to mention grotesquely invasive.

Best PCM I've seen in a while.