@a-man-from-earth@kbin.social If those tropes (stoic, resilient, and self-reliant) were being perpetuated by persuasion or force, then that would make sense. But, that isn't the case. Real men norms are in fact held up by pluralistic ignorance. i.e. most men don't actually support them. But some men go along with them anyway because they mistakenly believe that most other men do. https://umatter.princeton.edu/... Men don't have a problem seeing such men as strong and healthy role models. They have a problem believing that other men do.