Oh no, you're thinking of Iran-Contra, the other treasonous act that Reagan committed involving Iran. OP is talking about the rumored deal Reagan made with Iran wherein Iran would not release the American hostages until after the 1980 election. Coincidentally, the hostages were released on January 20th, 1981, the day Reagan was sworn in.

Sidenote, has anyone seen the Netflix documentary about the octopus murders? I think the proof that Reagan made that deal is at the heart of that conspiracy.

Edit: I've just come across this in another thread. It seems the hostage deal between Reagan and Iran did, in fact, happen. https://www.esquire.com/...

I'm sorry, 1 in 15 Americans is a millionaire?? Holy shit.

I guess if there is a silver lining, it's this. They're all truly horrible and miserable people, and they really do all hate each other. Every single one of them hates everyone else. That gives me at least some satisfaction.

I'm in Arizona and was (still am, because absolutely fuck Kari Lake) planning on voting for Ruben. Hell, I was as excited to vote for Ruben as I am to vote for Kamala.

This is extremely disappointing. They call it a shift to appeal to moderates and independents, but that just makes me question how fucked our politics are if someone like Ruben Gallego isn't already considered a moderate. Kamala is a moderate, Walz is a moderate, our entire Democratic party is moderate.

I'm so tired of bowing to right-wing fuckwits. I'm so tired of ceding ground at every damn opportunity. Human rights are not radical. Police reform is not radical. Workers' rights are not radical. Do fucking better, Devil Dog.

"I don't like Nazis" "We should get 300 people to give the Nazi salute outside a courthouse". Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I say this with all the sincerity in my heart, you are a moron and you are part of the problem. You are contributing to the rise of alt-right and fascist leaders around the world. There is zero leeway in this argument, everything Nazi related is bad and none of it should be tolerated.

Fuck that, he said multiple times that he'd be a dictator (on day one). He's talked about terminating the Constitution. He tried to overthrow the 2020 election. He's the only person who has ever argued that Presidents should have immunity, and then his hand-picked Supreme Court gave it to him. He said multiple times that this is the last time you'll have to vote.

There is no gray area. He wants to be a dictator and will do EVERYTHING to make it happen. And his fucking supporters want it, too. Don't give them any leeway and don't give him any leeway. Call his and their bullshit out every fucking chance you get.

There is exactly one argument that fascists understand.

Counterpoint (and please, I am literally begging you to talk me off this cliff): Trump didn't know anything about being President the first time. I believe that he thought Presidents could do whatever they wanted. The team he had around him, while you can call them assholes and pieces of shit and every other name in the book, understood how the government and the Presidency worked and were able to reign him in.

All of those people are now gone and he will be surrounded by purely yes-men. He will promote the Generals who will be loyal to him, not the country or the Constitution. Couple that with the newfound Presidential immunity, and Trump has all but free reign to do whatever he wants. He will also appoint judges, like Aileen Cannon, who are loyal to him. Those judges, thanks to the Supreme Court overturning the Chevron deference, will now be the "experts" instead of federal agencies.

I do agree that there probably won't be a sudden shift, but there will be a shift and we will feel it in almost every aspect of our life. He supposedly promised to put RFK Jr in charge of numerous health agencies and campaigned on getting rid of the Department of Education. And I very much recall at least two instances where he said this is the last election you'll have to vote in. Is he going to find/create a way to suspend the 2028 election and stay in power? Who's going to stop him?

This can't be real holy fuck lmao

It is truly fucking mind boggling. Every single thing he says is a lie. Every single thing Vance says is a lie. Vance told a reporter that he's willing to make up stories. The ties to racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes, straight up fucking Nazis and white supremacists. The felonies. The E. Jean Carroll rape. The fraud. The ties to Epstein. Project 2025 has a 4% favorable rating. Taking money from foreign governments. The list is damn near endless and could probably fill an encyclopedia, and somehow the polls have them essentially tied? It makes zero fucking sense.

Why did you cross that last line out? He did say that.

Jesus fucking Christ.

In case you don't actually know, it's a joke/reference to a chess scandal where Hans Niemann was accused of cheating (by using a vibrating butt plug) in a game against Magnus Carlson

Nah, that's always relevant

I understand where you are coming from, but there is no reason to defend a twice impeached, 34 time felon, treasonous rapist. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Xi, Kim, and Pol Pot don't deserve a devil's advocate argument, and neither does Donald Trump. There is no grey area. Trump and his lackeys are the greatest threat to American democracy and world stability, and playing devil's advocate validates them just enough to turn someone apathetic at best and into a Trump voter at worst.

The major difference is that he's not president this time, Biden is. Republicans only control the House, and that control is narrow. He will try, but he has very few people in government who support him this time.

Biden's internal polling showed him that he had NO path to victory. That's what forced him to step down.

Except this time there is a literal fascist running. The third party argument doesn't work when we've got a candidate quoting Hitler and promising that this will be the last election you'll have to vote in.

As Cady Heron once famously said, "The limit does not exist." Nothing, absolutely nothing, will cause him to lose support. The people who support him love him more than anything, and they will do whatever it takes to support him. They will break their own moral code, they will bend over backwards to make his rhetoric fit their morals, they will turn their back on everything they've ever known or loved if that's what it takes to continue to support him. Because he is the most important thing in their lives.

Idk how old you are but there used to be discussions about how we can beat terrorists, a group of people who willingly kill themselves to inflict damage. How do you beat an enemy in war who views their own death as a victory?

That's what we're up against with trump. There is no inroad, there is no common ground, there is no logic. It's a cult, plain and simple. How do you stop someone who wants to die for their cause? Maybe trump supporters don't want to literally die for him, but they damn sure would give up everything else for him.

He lied an average of 21 times a day, every single day, while in office. Odds are pretty good that if he's speaking, he's lying.

Yep, their plan is to remove all immigrants