Yup. Moreover, i want clients and implementations that help summarize and reduce doomscroll behavior. Social networks have value (imo), but they also have a cost and i'm tired of paying that. Reddit built a habit in so many of us to go back to it during any downtime, doomscroll more time than we wanted or expected, become overly invested in karma, arguments, etc. Reddit also has zero incentive to fix any of this, as it was perfect for engagement. Reddit is Facebook is Twitter, and i'm tired of those applications drugging my brain.

I definitely do not want Reddit. I want the value we got from Reddit, without the cost.

Yea, i'm working on my own Fedi software and i'm struggling with the point of boosting in the link aggregator context. It's an odd overlap with Reddit-style reposting to appropriate subs, but based on the user.

It makes sense in the Twitter UX, but i struggle to find it's place in the Reddit UX.

You're not seriously suggesting that a platform prevent its users from using it, are you? LOL where have I seen that in the news this week?

Jeez, this feels quite hostile.

I'm a developer. I'm working on this problem myself. You can craft features which promote a behavior or inhibit it. For example focusing only on live oriented features, making sure that posts show up constantly and with little ability to see what previous came, i would argue, focuses behavior on addictive FOMO. Features that help summarize historical posts to leave you with less of a feeling of FOMO does the opposite.

Features promote behavior. Some drive engagement, some reduce engagement. I seek features which reduce engagement by way of inhibiting FOMO and promoting the feeling of being informed on what it is you were seeking.

I'm suggesting a platform which focuses on features that help users avoid what i feel are negative outcomes. Which is wholly different than saying that all platforms need to do this. Why is this controversial to you? Should i, and users like me, not be able to use a platform which tries to eradicate (as best able) FOMO? Is FOMO other people experience somehow essential to you?

You can have whatever platforms you like. Just because an option exists does not mean it is hostile to your preferences. To me your reply seems short sighted, entirely focused on your individual use case and ignorant of a wide array of methods people want to use to interact with these products.

I am focused on my slice and my pie. You can have yours too, it's okay.

Yup, it's like email but take away recipients. Yea, there's sorta recipients, but you don't really know who it's federated with/etc. We (foss devs) need better optics here. UX is difficult, though i welcome ideas.

Oh, i actually didn't know Kbin (despite these posts lol) was being seen from Lemmy. Iirc when i first saw Kbin a few days ago, Kbin could see Lemmy but Lemmy couldn't see Kbin. Ie it's like it was a partial federation.

I'm curious on if that was accurate and if it was, what caused it in a technical sense. Given i'm a dev working on some ActivityPub stuff, i'm quite interested in it. Though i've not yet used the spec, clearly hah.

Which is exactly why this is better than Reddit. It'll definitely have growing pains and long term UX warts, but not being siloed and leashed to someone like Spez's decisions is a really great feature of the Fediverse.

Yup. I'm trying to design (trying! lol) my own little slice of Fedi with this same problem in mind. Social networks exploited some natural tendencies towards toxicity for engagement. We need (imo) some people to explore ways to mitigate that.

I'm on mastodon.art and donate $1/m, same story. It's only a handful of people that donate (hundreds, but still - much smaller than the thousands of users) and we cover the bill.

Though, this is also why i'm experimenting with custom Fediverse instance software that prioritizes low cost operation. I think Fedi would be better off if it wasn't a huge lift to figure out hosting. There's enough challenges in hosting instances, it would be nice to reduce as many as possible.

This is the way. Tons of people will stay on Reddit, Reddit will be fine. Just look at Facebook, how long it has lasted and what it has done, etc. Reddit is the new Facebook (platform, not company) and tons of people will be fine sticking with it. That's okay.

The beauty is we have options, and we're working to improve those options.

I'm (as a dev experimenting with the fedi) more interested in the features each platform adds to the fedi and ensuring we have consistency. Which is probably included in what you said, i'm just being explicit.

Ie regardless of if it's an upvote or a star, hypothetically it should have a similar effect in all platforms that federate with that value. If it modulates score in an algorithm, it should "mean" the same thing to the fediverse so that it has similar outcomes in all platforms. A silly but extreme example of this failing would be one site upvotes and downvotes meaning opposite things on two implementations - it would be chaos hah.

I hope (but don't yet know until my implementation is further along) that Like and Boost are functionally different. I also hope no ones implementation is conflating them.

Either way interesting times and i'm excited to see where we take it :)

Might be true, honestly. I'm on NixOS using the proprietary drivers for my 3080 and 4090. No issues, took one line of configuration. I do have to stay on X11 unfortunately until Wayland supports the real drivers at least (though i hear that's being worked on, maybe already working?).

For all of NixOS' pain, it really does make some things awesome and simple.

I actually like them when there isn't a time limit. Chivalry 2's battle-pass-thing is nice for that reason. It's just something i can throw on while i play normally with no grind

DB would be a big one, no? Not sure what Kbin is using, but DB costs tend to be meaningful as well, especially since depending on how the app is designed the usage requirements can sort of parity the app hosting requirements itself. Plus storage, but that can be more variable depending on how robust you want it to be. Ie S3 is pretty robust but it's expensive, etc.

Good link. It'll be interesting to see where it goes. I think this really comes down to a question of "Does the Fediverse even have to capability of federating user actions without indicating what user did the action?"

Plus, if you can muster up some solution, is that solution then easily falsifiable? Ie could a server send thousands of automated fake downvotes that don't actually tie to a specific handle? How would a receiving server know that some anonymous vote is a real vote? etc

Challenging problems.

What's the difference to users of the two platforms, in your eyes? I'm not familiar with the workflows of either Instagram nor DA

I've been on Kagi for a couple months now. Very happy with it. Generally unless i think the problem is small and easy (search is not, imo) i want to pay for servers in an attempt to not be "the product". So i like Kagi on that. It's search results are good too, especially after having used DDG for a couple years (iirc? time flies)

Frankly i'd prefer all of it to be private, but there's merit to both sides.

re:drama-causing, i'm also removing downvotes from my instance in dev for the same reason. I do think some version of muting has value, though - but kinda feels like it should be a tool earned, similar to HackerNews (they have downvotes, but only after a certain amount of earned "karma").

/shrug, no idea - lots of people here are saying "deleting" and meaning "deleting" lol. I advocate using edit terminology when you mean edit, delete when you mean delete. Appreciate the edit-delete clarification

I agree.. BUT, i think it's important to also remember that for-profit like Reddit will have incentives to drive engagement patterns which can sometimes (i'm being generous heh) be toxic to the social atmosphere.

Opensource implementations have a chance to change interaction that is more favorable to the user, to the community, etc. I don't believe Lemmy or Kbin offer much here, yet, but Tildes.net talks about this and makes an effort there.

I'd like to see a federated instance that puts more effort in this space. It won't be what Redditors want.. because, well, Reddit built addictive patterns and this is the opposite of that. But nonetheless i think we can make progress on Reddit-likes when we carefully analyze what ramifications Reddit features have.