Aesthetics are the same bogeyman excuse used to justify really any significant change in a phone since IP ratings first came in with. I recall back when USB-C was first showing up in smartphones, there was a time where simultaneously some manufacturers were pushing for the change and others trying to push back on it, with both groups citing aesthetic reasons.

Calm before the storm, sure. Most migration away from reddit (whether the migration ultimately proves to be consequential or not) will logically happen when the measures that made users migrate actually go into effect.

Either that or the community's reaction to the 3rd party app thing was overblown. In the specific circumstances I don't think it was.

That's a more realistic clear and present danger to the platform IMO - an influx of actual users that makes the numbers to date pale in comparison.

The way the respective platforms handle bots is subtly different, but in a way that could result in profound changes either good or bad. But we haven't actually seen that yet, and the software is still a work in progress. The existing migration has really lit a fire under the devs on issues that were identified years ago where progress has been slow, so for now I'm happy to let that play out and happy with what we've already got. I'm sure if bots become a bigger problem then that's what devs will shift focus toward.

My grandparents could probably monetize Reddit more effectively than that twerp.

For me, it's because the password I entered didn't meet the minimum requirements. The instance signup page had some kind of issue with actually letting me know that was the problem, it just gave me the spinning pinwheel forever. I refreshed and tried changing the password to something more complex and it worked instantly

I think they're just complaining about multiple posts on the same topic. Like, anywhere on the fediverse. It is crossposted to /c/philippines though which is kinda odd, though not actually anything to do with this version of the post

That's the box I used too. I looked into it a bit further and I think possibly the issue is the community/magazine you were searching for had not been subscribed to before by a user on your home instance. In that case the instance has not indexed that community/magazine and you need to manually point it toward the instance it's on. But once this is done the community info is cached in the search for any user on that instance looking for that community later on. I guess once the ecosystem is mature then provided you're on a relatively populated instance and the community you're searching for isn't too niche, you could just go to the community search first and it'd work most of the time.

It's not on this list because it's not a lemmy instance, it is just linked with lemmy via the fediverse. There's a separate list for kbin instances here: https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list

Nearly 40k users on kbin.social

Can you quantify the difference? Far as I can tell, there's just an imaginary line where software becomes AI just because the logic filtering it depends on to operate is sufficiently complex. The term doesn't really seem to be a useful categorization either, e.g. the fundamentally different approaches of diffusion models and transformer models.

It's just human nature, simply complacency. At times when doing business is generally more difficult, why produce more when you can produce less and charge more? On a long enough timescale in current conditions, every business will do it eventually.

This is what has just been happening with Cal-Maine eggs for example. Exaggerating about supply chain pressures and arbitrating prices to cover production slowdown was just the easiest thing to do in the circumstances. It isn't until much later when the earnings reports come out with no substantial supply chain interruptions to mention that people start to realize what's going on, and by that point they've already siphoned hundreds of millions more from the public than the circumstances warranted.

Egg prices are dropping now. Why? There's been no recent change in cost indicated in Cal-Maine's production. The only recent news regarding their operations is the release of that earnings report. It's as if public knowledge about their record profits is somehow affecting the price of the commodity they produce?

If not for the reddit blackout, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Characterizing the recent action against reddit as an inconsequential 2 day blackout is inaccurate I think. Shitposts and memes are the content that exists independent of platform, it's not what made Reddit popular.

Seems like it's being worked on though. The controversial calculation is still being tweaked for performance & an experience similar to reddit: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2515

Sure, in that case you can interact on any beehaw post with beehaw users and any users from instances federated with beehaw, or interact on any lemmy.world post with lemmy.world users and any uses from instances federated with lemmy world.

But if a post is created on beehaw and a lemmy.world user subscribes to it, lemmy.world downloads a copy of the post for lemmy.world to interact with which is separate from the original post on beehaw. So you would effectively have access to 2 different versions of the same post, one with comments from beehaw users & federated instance users, and another with comments from only lemmy.world users.

In practice you'd only ever really see the first version of the post though, same as if your account was on beehaw in this example. There's no solution where you could interact with both beehaw and lemmy.world users on the same post from being based on a third instance that's federated with both.

They show up fine in the communities search for me. https://i.imgur.com/iHO4wIP.png

Whether something is up or down is more meaningful in terms of our average interaction with that object than whether it is left or right. Conceptually the latter is inherently relative to the observer, and in many circumstances the observer could just turn around to change the state of whether it's left or right, so it doesn't matter which way it is. Whereas they can't do as much about many things that are "up" or "down" like the sun, a tree canopy, the earth's mantle. Those things are more constant generally so it's easier to grasp them

I'm just trying to summarise to be concise, this part is what I was getting at

look at how little it took for the protest to wane, some subs are still protesting or migrating, but the majority reopened and they’re going on like nothing happened.

I disagree that "the majority reopened", of a total proportion of subs that blacked out I think the majority are either blacked out or have not resumed operations as normal. This is different from a majority proportion of all subs, which is a much larger number, and the majority of which also never participated in any blackout. Since the majority of traffic on reddit goes to a minority of subs, it's not clear which metric you're looking at or whether it's meaningful in context.

Since reddit algorithms to some extent relied upon that consistent operating principle of posts in popular subs being boosted, initially the result of the blackout was extreme - the website could not functionally aggregate posts on most users frontpages with so many subs on private mode. But that is not a problem directly caused by the blackout, it's caused by reliance on consistent data. So all reddit needed to do in that case was adjust the algo to significantly improve the average user experience during peak blackout. Instead of users seeing a bunch of posts about private subs they can't interact with, they just get fed posts from subs that didn't black out, so users could engage with reddit while an active ongoing protest was happening on the platform and might not even notice.

So I guess my point is that someone's impression of how the frontpage looked at t+24hrs, or t+48hrs, or today, as an indication of how reddit's going right now, is inaccurate because of the inherently subjective nature of the information visible from just browsing the platform.

Coming from reddit is fun app, I don't really understand how what you're proposing would work. You want the same functionality of having a separate account on each instance, but consolidated into one app to easy switch between accounts/instances, right?

If we translate this use case into the existing rif app layout, the subreddit selector panel on the left would need to have like lemmy instances instead of subreddits, with communities nested under each instance.

So you would have a different frontpage for each instance, which consisted of only the posts for communities hosted by that instance. Maybe I'm on the wrong track here, or you have a better idea of how it'd work.

How is that better or more intuitive than just having one personal frontpage for all of your subscribed communities? That way you don't even need to make a conscious decision to browse beehaw posts, they're just in the same feed as everything else.

I feel like it's more about the way you're thinking about posts being hosted on a particular server and what that means. In the context of Lemmy it only means something where the post you want is on an instance that's been defederated from for whatever reason, and even then only in terms of community discovery. Otherwise it's kinda meaningless in terms of your interaction with posts.

Thinking of the given community as a community 'on beehaw' per se is only really pertinent in cases where the fact it's on beehaw alone has some kind of impact on how you interact with it, e.g moderation style. But even in that case, moderation style could equally be an attribute you ascribe to the community itself, rather than beehaw. e.g. preferring r/games over r/gaming.

This way it makes more sense to think of the community as a lemmy community than a beehaw one, which seems fairly intuitive to me. Plus, that way the instance is doing the link aggregation and not your phone, which would be problematic for users and for scaling the ecosystem

Yeah, that's federation. In terms of the principle in government as well as its application in the lemmy protocol.

lemmy.world and beehaw.org are defederated. However, this doesn't mean that you can't see beehaw posts as a lemmy.world user, or vice versa. But (let's say you're a lemmy.world user) if you comment on a beehaw post, you're commenting on a replicated version of the post that is hosted on lemmy.world. It is not synced with the original post hosted on beehaw, and you will only be able to see comments from other lemmy.world users and comments from before beehaw defederated.

Also in Aus here, using ISP DNS, not blocked. I think what you generally find is that most ISP's just don't do the DNS blocks, even if they're required to. Like you said, it's very easily circumvented and also it just doesn't lead to any measurable outcome other than the ISP customer's dissatisfaction in some cases. It's probably more profitable to retain the customers and deal with whatever regulatory blowback.

You can be a bear and lead a pack of wolves into battle, pets would be cool but I'm already satisfied lol

Yep the original post on the beehaw instance is like a master record of the post that lives on their server and only their users and users from federated instances can interact with it. Meanwhile the act of a lemmy.world user subscribing to a given beehaw community triggers the lemmy.world instance to archive posts there and create separate self-contained records of them which only lemmy.world users can interact with