Not really. It's incredibly frustrating and I've def lost some faith in humanity.

I thought /r/selfhosted would be ready to jump but everyone is like "but there's no users on lemmy" and "you'll split the community" and "we're going to go dark for two days - that will teach them!"

Consequently there's been no support for any single refuge.

Additionally people have set up several communities here with similar names in the past but now mods aren't responding so it's all a bit of a mess.

This is happening all over reddit.

Mods are posting all over the place saying "I have to bend over for the admins because if I don't they'll find someone else who will".

You do you but honestly I find this a bit weird. As an unpaid volunteer you don't have to do anything. Just resign. Reddit's not about to die but it's best days are in the past. I wouldn't want to be a part of the future of reddit.

This is as good a place as any to ask... where should we set up shop? This community's sole mod @Zoe8338@lemmy.ml doesn't seem to be active.

A number of different self-hosting related communities have popped up in the last few days. I'm concerned that without a single focal point we won't hit a critical mass.

Well yeah but they're two different things.

Lemmy is a forum like reddit.

Mastodon is microblogging like twitter.

Looking at the list of instances there doesn't seem to be any really perfect options.

Honestly I would be most comfortable with an instance administrated by several people. It just increases the odds that admins will know what they're doing and not lose interest.

I agree. If lemmy continues to grow, inevitably some servers will be shit, but I imagine there will be other non-federated or less-federated instances. beehaw has already started down that path.

Trolls are generally looking for maximum carnage, so I imagine there's less incentive / reward posting somewhere like lemmy.

Redditors in general just aren't that into lemmy. Most redditors come here expecting to find a 1 for 1 replacement pre-warmed with millions of users and brimming with reddit culture.

Not having an algorithm to tell people what they want to see is a bigger impediment to attracting users than most people realise.

Additionally, I think mods are reluctant to direct users to any other community as they will give up lordship of their own fiefdom. Sorry, I acknowledge that I have probably an unfairly dim view of mods. I'm sure some are amazing, but certainly many are self-obsessed power trippers. They act in their own interests to preserve control rather than acting in the interest of the community.

Hard disagree.

Getting over-run by blog spam is entirely foreseeable.

With a single dead mod it's entirely foreseeable that we would have to relocate at some point which could be devastating when trying to preserve whatevers left of the community.

I appreciate I’m likely preaching to the choir here

Yeah but it amazes me how many people just don't get it. People on reddit looking for an alternative... "let's go to lemmy", "nah there's lefty weirdos", "ok let's go to ", "ok this is gonna work out great!"

The bulk of reddit has already gone back to reddit.

Don't get me wrong, lemmy is great just the way it is. We don't need a continued influx from reddit (although lets see what happens on 1 July).

This is my take. Reddit has been on a trajectory towards enshittification for a long while. The API thing has created a focal point where a lot of people are passed off at the same time.

eventually it’ll run dry - because the contributors are leaving the site

I somewhat disagree... you haven't considered the increased incentive for occasional posters to become more regular contributors as existing contributors leave.

As the volume of contributions reduces, each contribution is more likely to garner engagement - those sweet sweet endorphins released when someone upvotes or otherwise engages with your post.

They would have to show their books as part of an IPO anyway, and everyone already knows its not profitable. It's not like he accidentally dropped a big secret here.

I think this is something reddit users generally have a hard time grasping about lemmy, including myself.

One of the fundamentals of the fediverse is that there will be communities with the same name on different instances. Users can subscribe to good ones and / unsubscribe from bad ones as they wish.

The biggest problem I see is fragmentation, people are creating the same community in different instaces, /c/Piracy for example.

I agree, to an extent. You're right in that if you were part of the vibrant community of /r/piracy then it's miserable to see it shatter here on lemmy. That said, this only applies if you're expecting lemmy to be a 1 for 1 reddit replacement. For this type of community to remain cohesive, /r/piracy would have had to spin up their own instance and in /r/piracy direct everyone to lemmy.piracyinstance.whatever.

You can't really "fix" this in a central way because even if you did, it would be trivial to create an instance that would allow duplicate community names. Also, I can see a lot of use cases for lemmy which do not intend to be federated.

That said, it's not necessarily as big a problem as it appears, if you just accept that this is how the fediverse works. There's no single source of control, so of course people can create 147 different /c/piracy communities if they wish to. Once you accept that, then it's not really that difficult to subscribe to all the /c/piracy communities you can find.

The problem itself could be diminished by a few new features which I feel certain will emerge in the future:

• linked communities, where one communities content is syndicated to another. So if you post in !selfhosted@lemmy.world then you also post in !selfhosted@lemmy.ml. This would work differently to cross-posting, all comments would be reflected on both instances.
• grouped communities, where you can subscribe to a group of /c/selfhosted communities with one click, so you see them all in your feed.

I think it's an important lesson in impermanence.

The net will always have good bits and bad bits, but they won't always stay the same.

The reluctance of redditors to move to lemmy always amazes me.

Not surprisingly, there's a lot of posts in a lot of subs about the recently announced changes. In every post the same pattern is repeated ad-nauseum:

• "i hate reddit, it sucks here, I've always wanted to leave, I'm never coming back once this happens"
• "maybe we should move the sub to lemmy so we won't have this problem in future?"
• "but what about all our data, the wiki & post history and such"
• "but there's no users on lemmy"
• "but that would split the community!"

This is the case even in the subs I would have thought would be really keen to jump ship, like /r/selfhosted

I think this type of approach is the right idea though, a better ecosystem can only be good.

There needs to be a way to link to a post in an instance agnostic way.

For example, this post is in !asklemmy@lemmy.ml and the id is 1255605, but that id number won't work on any other instance.

If someone shares a link with me like https://lemmy.ml/post/1255605 that will take me to lemmy.ml, where I'm not logged in. If I have an account on lemmy.world then the only way for me to comment on this post is to navigate to lemmy.world/c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml manually and then literally look at the feed to find this post. It's a pain in the butt for new / current threads but will be a huge pain for older threads.

This will ultimately increase the number of users who can be advertised to.

For every person who is engaged about this there are a dozen that don't understand what an API is and will happily switch over to another app from the app store if it has cat gifs.

Is this the best place for us though? @Zoe8338@lemmy.ml is the only mod and they don't seem to be active.