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eva_sieve 33 points 3 years ago

Boimler: "Has everyone on this ship time traveled?!"

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eva_sieve 32 points 3 years ago

Y'know the retroactively craziest role that never gets mentioned here is that Majel Barret voiced Spock's mother Amanda Grayson in TAS.

Just dropping that for the benefit of the people making the Chapel==Una==Computer jokes.

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eva_sieve 32 points 3 years ago

Throw T'lyn (promoted after a short stint of time served offscreen) and Tom Paris in too.

The Tom Paris one was absurd and Harry was right to call it out when Paris made lieutenant again before he was even considered.

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eva_sieve 29 points 3 years ago

"You reckon it should just be called a human name, instead then? Something silly like 'Carl'?"

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eva_sieve 25 points 3 years ago

Huh, I was expecting this to be about T'lyn! no such luck on that front unfortunately. Haven't combed through the trailer in too much detail, but if this is the first time I'm hearing confirmation about them all getting promoted would that imply most of the trailer shots are from relatively early in the season?

It feels right for the gang to get promoted. If you asked me what Lower Decks is about, underneath all the nostalgia and jokes, I'd say it's about growth--Starfleet is awesome, but its legends of yesteryear don't start that way. These goofy, lower-decker ensigns may be screwups, but at the core they're Starfleet though and through. It kind of feels appropriate to move on from where the original TNG episode Lower Decks left off-- the promotion of proto-Boimler Sam Lavelle-- and explore what growth looks like beyond that.

Edited to add: I went back through the trailer and yep, no visible changes to their rank pips. Although T'lyn has a shot where she's switched over from a provisional lozenge to the standard single round ensign pip.

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eva_sieve 24 points 3 years ago

And you may tell yourself, "This is not my aesthetically pleasing residence!"

And you may tell yourself, "This is not my aesthetically pleasing Bynar spouse!"

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eva_sieve 23 points 3 years ago

The Cerritos is continuing the proud Starfleet tradition of having good mental health advisors and a kinda useless ship's counselor.

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eva_sieve 23 points 3 years ago

The shitposters of c/risa : "we're doing our part!"

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eva_sieve 23 points 3 years ago

All our Wej Duj heroes came back for episode 1! ...I hope Ma'ah's okay.

It's interesting how between Lower Decks and Prodigy (plus some brief mentions in other post-VOY shows) we have a decent picture of how the universe view now-Admiral Janeway. It's clear she's viewed with a sort of heroic reverence, Captain Freeman assumed that Janeway's logs would have a good answer for a Tuvix situation. Voyager's celebrity status has definitely inflated her image a little, really put's Dal's awkward first encounter with the real Janeway in perspective.

It feels very right that they didn't actually dive into the morality of killing Tuvix other than "that's messed up!" and making the Tuvix'd crew clearly in the wrong/not sapient before de-Tuvixing them. Lower Decks does earnest optimism about Starfleet well, but I don't think deep dives into moral situations are something for a goofy 22 minute show.

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eva_sieve 23 points 3 years ago

"A remarkable creature. Your design nearly passes as human."

"...I am human?"

"Ew! well, then you need to drink more water."

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eva_sieve 23 points 3 years ago

Man, I was hoping they'd confirm the commonly held theory that Sokel is T'lyn's father (since she's the Sh'val's version of Mariner). No dice unfortunately.

Really like how Mariner was emotionally mature enough to solve the problem by just talking. Sure, she's done that some other times (Crisis Point II comes to mind), but she doesn't really know T'lyn nearly as well as those other examples. Really shows how far she's come from the therapy-hating Mariner in Season 1. She's not wrong to point out how Vulcans tend to have a very narrow view of what their species should be like while idolizing paragons who don't fit that mold. Tear them space elves down, girl!

Other notes:

  • One of Shaxs' officers at the gathering reaaally looked like a Kiley (Kileyan?) from SNW episode 1. Guess Pike's message stuck.
  • I noted previously that they drew the betazoids with larger eye dots to reference their dark irises. Looking back, I think they even did that when drawing Counselor Troi in season 1.
  • we don't often see Tendi being the butt of the joke. guess there's no place to ham up her excessive emotionality than a T'lyn episode.
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eva_sieve 23 points 3 years ago

Gotta agree, it seems like an unforced error. A good chunk of the audience knows she shows up in TOS, which robs the whole idea of any tension it might have, and on top of that it feels plot armor-y to have one person survive and then not check for anyone else.

They could've just contrived to have Spock and Chapel be the best persons for the saucer deorbiting-- Spock as the precise vulcan/science officer to place the thrusters, Chapel as medbay's lead in case they could bring anyone back from the Cayuga.

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eva_sieve 22 points 3 years ago

Yeah, the colonists in this episode intentionally curating the a small-town experience is pretty subtle worldbuilding, but tees into the crazier variants like the Hysperians from Lower decks.

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eva_sieve 21 points 3 years ago

Stamets: Put mushrooms in it. It made it work better, but Reno made fun of him anyway.

Billups: Took 30 years just to spend extra time away from his mother's royal consorts.

Jankom Pog: What, you think Trip acted alone?

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eva_sieve 20 points 3 years ago

Star Trek does this thing where formal rank isn't actually as important as being in the captain's in-group. Can you name anything important that provisional Lt. JG Ayala did on the USS Voyager? I sure as hell can't, but it was less important than Harry "eternal ensign" Kim.

As much as the Lower Decks gang would like to think of themselves as unimportant, they're very much confidants of the Cerritos' senior staff so it's illogical, but consistent for Boimler to be at the top of the list for acting captain when stuff's going down.

Out of universe it's obviously a narrative/screen time thing, I'd say you've just got to accept it and move on.

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eva_sieve 19 points 3 years ago

Loved this one, prob my favorite of the season so far. We've had Tendi's attitude towards her own Orion heritage hanging over her character this entire show (plus a touch of SNW), so it's fun to finally dive deeper. I like how T'lyn was used here-- basically as a manifestation of Tendi's friends prying into her personal life. I wasn't expecting Mariner's main role this episode to be running gag, but hey, it worked.

The plot resolution (at least on the character arc side) wasn't super surprising, but I think it works and goes beyond where we last left the thread of Tendi's pirate identity in season 3. On DS9 it felt like she just saw herself as a trained pirate trying to be a scientist, here we have the gang affirming that the scientist is Tendi's real self. For those of you reading queer allegories onto Tendi, this episode just makes them all the deeper.

The Brutherford B-plot was incredibly silly, even as LD plots go. It's not deep, but I think it was just audaciously funny enough to work. I was initially skeptical of how they just yadda-yadda'd past the guys' conflict resolution on the holodeck. I think it works because it heightens captain Freeman's (and the audience's) disbelief that they'd expect their petty Seinfeld shenanigans would translate to any useful diplomatic measures.

Other notes:

  • The big guy from the B-plot friggin' threw Shaxs. might be the first time we've seen Shaxs succumb to the so-called Worf effect
  • T'lyn seemed to accept a group hug at the end with nary a raised eyebrow. So un-Vulcan!
  • Tendi's great-grandmother Astrea had the same title Mistress of the Winter Constellations, and if the bouncer's reaction is any indication it's related to D'vana being her family's prime--does that imply Astrea also had a similar path in life before ending up on the science ship D'Var?
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eva_sieve 19 points 3 years ago

Dunno why they didn't bother promoting this episode, it was great. I was initially skeptical that it was just going to be a "Mariner is angsty" episode without much of a payoff, but they finally revealed everything. And they gave Ma'ah screen time doing it!

The confirmation of how the Dominion War scarred Mariner wasn't much of a surprise, but the tie back to the Lower Decks of old was. What an absolutely crushing reason to lose the optimism in what Starfleet can be. Props to Tawny Newsome for some good voice acting for an emotionally vulnerable moment.

Minor complaint/discontinuity: in this episode Mariner seemed surprised that T'Lyn was present at the fight against the Pakleds and the Klingon BoP in Wej Duj, although I seem to recall T'Lyn explicitly referencing that incident to her in Empathological Fallacies.

Speculation about next week: I'd hazard a guess that Locarno is a thematic version of what Mariner could become if she isn't careful. He's a Starfleet ace gone bad, and also Sito's former friend, so he's presumably got a lot to sell her on the troublemaker's life.

God, I typed a lot and didn't even get to Freeman's misdirection this episode. It was good, watch it!

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eva_sieve 17 points 3 years ago

yeah it's missing a bit where the ensign falls in front of Captain Gomez. As portrayed in the subsequent panels though she's extremely chill about it.

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eva_sieve 17 points 3 years ago

Don't think they're including shuttlecraft. It's a bit hard to read but I can't see the Cerritos' Death Valley scanning through that area of the alphabet. I do note that Discovery is there in both original and -A format, which might be contentious since the ship is its own refit.

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eva_sieve 17 points 3 years ago

I can honestly see them pulling the trigger on it at the end of this season. This season's pretty emphatically pushing the gang past their former status quo-- Mariner has supportive superiors, now what? Boimler is in charge sometimes, now what? Figuring this romance situation out would just be running with the theme of growth and change.

I'm happy either way they end up, although I think Rutherford's comment about green eyes is telegraphing there's something there, even if he and Tendi are oblivious to it.

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