Firefox mobile with uBlock origin is a fucking godsend, the mobile web is nigh unusable without it because of ads.

A lot of people are saying there could have been manipulation and the true downvote count could have been higher. For sure they are suppressing and banning people/subreddits that mention lemmy or any reddit alternatives, and spez has a history of editing people's comments etc.

Not gonna lie I think I'm actually spending more time on Lemmy than Reddit, participating and trying to get discussions going, making content, etc. Just to try and get it active lol

I'm really fucking pissed because reddit is the only forum for a lot of topics. Realistically, I can't say I'm going to stop using it totally. Like, you can clearly see it is at risk of a tumblr-esque descent. The CEO has repeatedly said they are "fighting" for nsfw content to remain, but I trust 0% of what that guy says considering he's repeatedly lied, slandered people and freely admits to just trying to get profitable as soon as possible (see latest ama, for the IPO so he can cash out, presumably). If this really is a Tumblr level decline which it remains to be seen if it is, they'll be in desperate need of more VC cash so porn is as good as gone.

Anyways, I hope some communities start coming over. The blackout is a good protest, but meaningless if there's no actual action apart from that. Regarding the blackout, I don't even really give a shit about "saving" Reddit anymore, as they've made it very clear they are beyond saving. I just want the same experience with the same level of community somewhere else (fuck capitalism and centralization though)

Also slandering developers who have pretty much done your job for you for years

I think another major miscalculation is there was no alternatives agreed on by consensus. For example, if they had said to everyone "go to Lemmy", "go to discord" etc. Now there's no alternative to a lot of subreddits, people will just wait it out and go back to the subreddits when they go back, or if they're indefinitely suspended they'll just make new subreddits.

Yeah, this is definitely a watershed moment for me. I knew it'd be bad, but I didn't know it'd be "openly admit to not caring about users and only care about money, continue to lie about someone when they have a literal recording of you" level of bad

I love how cool this is. Imagine being able to read and comment on a Reddit thread from twitter and Facebook and have it all work seamlessly and visible to all parties. That's literally what this is and that feels amazing to me

I see this message so much my brain was very confused for a second lol

Yeah, honestly whether or not they back down or some solution is reached regarding the current situation, they will not stop aggressively monetizing users. A lot of veteran users will leave, some will stay or come back eventually, but I think pretty much every veteran user will be gone permanently if they get rid of old Reddit.

Yeah, it's a bit of a wake up call/eye opener for me. Why would I stay on a site that fully adheres to the rule "if a service is free, the user is the product". When there's now perfectly good non profit alternatives. Also, this is why Facebook/Twitter/Google etc need to either stay well away from the fediverse or just get defederated. As soon as they start participating they'll just start taking over and trying to monetize the platform.

Not really, the equivalent is communities. Which can be on any server they want. So for example there's gaming@lemmy.ml and gaming@beehaw.org. the hope is eventually people gravitate towards one and others are discouraged from being made (so as to not split the community) unless there's some drama or need to have two.

Same. I'm done just being a content/ad zombie for them

Yeah, Reddit has 0 interest in being Reddit anymore. They want to be tiktok/Instagram (that's why the video player is fucking trash, they want it to look like tiktok). The thing I don't understand is those apps are already much larger than Reddit, why would people from those apps ever come to Reddit? And why would you just completely abandon your loyal userbase?

Seems very stupid to move to a service that's already experienced a terminal death spiral (%40 lost users)

"no revenue impact so far" how is it possible to be this short sighted? Of course people using the official app and website without adblock won't have gone anywhere. It wasn't every subreddit, they're probably just wondering why so many aren't working. But if this continues, and tbh the damage is already done for a lot of people, users and moderators who generate the content and make the site usable for the zombies will leave and it will just become twitter 2.0, an increasingly bad shitshow, some subreddits will be left with no quality submissions at all.

Also: "still in conversation" with other third party apps? The entire point was to make the price so high they'd have to shut down. Plausible deniability I guess, and those other third party apps with way less users will probably just be able to sell subscriptions (can't even use ads, though)

The main 2 changes they want to make before the IPO are killing old reddit (no/less data siphoning, css, no stupid nfts/animations/other dumb attempts at monetization) and removing anything nsfw (not just porn, anything considered nsfw like gore, violence, etc. This means state/police violence gets removed, anything to do with war gets removed.)

idk how much impact banning third party apps will have, but if/when they get rid of old reddit, that will be much worse for them. right now at least there's that as the last bastion of classic reddit pre-enshittification. Many subreddits will just outright stop working as they rely on classic css for critical features (as well as bots, the api will eventually be rendered unusable for them as well probably). Also, moderation is hard/impossible on new reddit or the official app. At that point, discussions about moving the subreddit to a custom css lemmy instance start happening.

then goes porn subreddits. Tbh, those users and that content is actually a net negative on the business in general i'm guessing (no ads served, google/apple/mastercard/visa breathing down their necks). That's still a hell of a lot of users lost permanently, which is X less on the active user count to show to investors.

I'm just wondering, by the time they get to their IPO, all of these changes will have turned away basically all veteran reddit users and moderators. I don't think they're going to put up with rebellious moderators, they'll just replace them (there's already going to be a list of "reddit approved moderators" that can use mod bots, this is the start of that). Will there even be anything left by IPO time? Will there even be an IPO, if the users go down by 40% like tumblr? I mean, they could easily just pivot to a mainstream facebook/instagram/tiktok alternative, but will it work? Those apps already exist. Why would anyone ever go from them to reddit? They'd have to be filling a market gap, like tiktok did after vine got shut down. I just don't see it happening.

Yeah, this tbh. I understand there's got to be basic rules, but shit like title formats and most of the time your post not going through (because of X automatically enforced rule like automatic hiding or deletion if you put a certain word or phrase in the title/post body) is just maddening. One time I did a post and the message the mod sent me explaining what was wrong with my post was almost as long as the post itself lol. I really hope this doesn't start happening with reddit alternatives.

And yeah, the sheer size of reddit makes it almost impossible to interact with people on large subreddits. Especially if you're commenting on a post that's like 12 hours old on a large subreddit, your comment will never get seen just because of the deluge of already existing comments.

I know this is blasphemy and I've always understood how shit the app is, but I don't even use third party apps (I tried them before, never felt fully comfortable with any of them idk) and use the official app. So this wouldn't even totally affect me but I can see how bad this change is and why many people use third party apps because of said app's shitness and didn't even consider blind/low vision accessibility before now but obviously that's a major issue, before the accessibility exception they literally wouldn't be able to use the site on their phone at all, the mobile website is actually unusable its spammed with 2-3 notifications per page telling you to get the app, and they killed compact reddit which could be used with a screenreader. Also I can see despite spez saying he's keeping old reddit and nsfw, he's a proven liar and manipulator.

Yep. Instead of developing things the site actually needs, like accessibility features for low vision/blind users, better mod tools for mobile, a better mobile app in general that isn't horrible and a million other things, they spent all their money and time developing stuff like NFTs (of course), a video player that is barely even usable just to try and look like TikTok, shiny awards and animations to shill out, etc etc.