I dont see why defederation is seen as a sensitive topic.

Its a great feature, designed for specifically this purpose.

Over time people will migrate between instances and land where they fit. Some people want to be abrasive cunts, and they will land with the other abrasive cunts. Thats great, they have an instance they can do what they want on.

For the rest of us though, we dont want to see their bad faith articles and abrasiveness on our feeds. No one is being limited in their speech, but they might be limited in their reach. If they want to expand their reach, they can join a more broadly federated instance and ditch the bad faith arguments and abrasiveness.

Its the kids table at the dinner party. You can join the adults table if you behave in a way that is suitable for the adults, if not go back and play with the kids and everyone is happy.

Its a classic case of people having no fucking clue about scale, bias, the vocal majority and silent minority.

For every loud reddit dissident, there is 100 people who just heard about reddit and grabbed the official app from the store. They dont comment, they dont post, they dont give a shit. If reddit went down they wouldnt question it, they would just grab a 9gag app or something and continue on consuming content. They dont block ads, they dont get invested in net neutrality or anything else the EFF are involved in, they dont mod the UX, they dont dig into dodgy shit going on behind the scenes. They dont give a shit.
In other words, they are the perfect community for a corporate social media.

So he can just skip the helping part, just start calling people pedos

I think people would be surprised at the amount of instances that have already been broadly defederated.

Its just that the beehaw defederation is the first "big" incident since broader adoption, and thats for very understandable reasons with a roadmap to refederation already in place.

The only people who get angry about an instance being defederated are the types who want to act in bad faith. They know if they join the instance they got defederated from they will be banned if they spruik the shit that got the instance defederated in the first place, so they are angry that no one wants to listen to their shit.

It sucks for legitimate users that get caught up, but if youre a good user willing to participate in good faith, just join another instance and carry on.

Your "right" to expression doesnt extend to forcing other people to listen to you.
I dont know why that seems to be such a common thought.

You have a "want" - in that you want to be able to say whatever you want to whoever you want.
Other people also have a "want" - to not have to see that shit when they are just chilling on the internet.

We find ourselves at a point where we are on a platform that allows problematic places to be excluded. People there can still say and do what they want, the majority just doesnt have to see or deal with it anymore.

No one is dictating what you can and cant do or say, you are free to do that.

What defederation does is create a place for people who dont care about that shit to exist without having to see it. By defederating at an instance level, it takes that burden away from the individual user and creates a place that they want to be at. If you dont want to be there thats fine.

Its only a problem with people who think like yourself because you want to push your views onto people who arent interested. You want your views to dictate how another community behaves. You dont get to dictate that though. You're welcome to join if you want to follow their rules, if not find somewhere with rules that you agree with.

As for myself agreeing with beehaw, I interact with that instance regularly. I dont need an account there because I have accounts elsewhere that are federated with them. If those other accounts became defederated, id weigh up the pros and cons and create a local account if I wanted to continue the interaction.

This is a fundamental, core aspect of the fediverse. If being restricted from places that you arent welcome at is something you dont like, I sincerely think the fediverse is not for you. That said, I cant think of many places that are for people who want to push their views onto unwilling others, because the places that spruik that arent attractive to the people who are sick of that shit.

There are places for the type of content you want to engage with. There are even places that are halfway, where people from both sides of this divide meet and converse. The problem only exists when you want to bring that shit into places where it isnt welcome, and the fediverse has been designed from the ground up to alleviate that problem for the majority of people who arent interested.

I think its going to end up a successful move for them.

They built a platform. The users built the site over the years with minimal interaction from reddit.

They now have a platform, millions of users, and full control of what they want on that platform.

The writing has been on the wall for a while now, they want the traffic but don't want the problems that come with mostly community driven content.
All the profile redesigns, ability to "follow" users, profile pics, awards, all that has been an indication of the direction over the last few years. The last few steps was to kick out the problem users and be left with those who don't really give a shit and just want to see memes on their phone while they take a shit. The people who hear about reddit and just grab the official app from the store. The people who don't care about APIs and protests and modding or accessibility tools. Just eyeballs to look at their ads.

Those people will stay. It doesn't matter if 25% of the community leaves, because the natural growth in the next few months from the eyeballs will claw it back over time.

Once they have an obedient user base who are strictly bound to what reddit want them to see, think TikTok or facebook users, that's when they will see off. And it will pay off handsomely.

The AMA was just an obligation. It was never going to change his or anyone elses mind.

He knows the reality. This change won't kill reddit. It will make it more controllable though, at the sake of some of their more techy users. The truth is that its big enough that they don't need those users anymore though. The people who do leave will be replaced by the natural growth of the site of people who simply download the official app from the various stores over the next few months.

The result will be a more TikTok/Tumblr/Twitter like experience. Less niche, more mainstream serving.

I would have gladly paid for a premium reddit experience, had it provided useful features. 3rd party app access is something I would have totally understood and paid for. RES features integrated, various styles such as old.reddit enshrined and protected, the option to opt in/out of various features, premium access to mod/admin subs that actually get a response, etc.

Instead they offered awards to give out. No value, no purchase.

It was always there. Back in the day if you gave someone gold for a comment, you were giving them one month of premium.

I'll just point out that I never suggested anyone defederate from anyone.
As a side point though, lots of places had already defederated from lemmynsfw.

I just want a NSFW instance that doesn't cater to pseudo child porn

You can apply whatever definition to loli that you want, whatever makes you feel best.

for the rest

of us though,

we dont really want to be associated with this shit

Not sure why you would think this place is out of reach of DMCA.

As for what you can post, check the rules

Rule 3:

Don't request or link to specific pirated titles

Simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

I doubt they are going around restoring comments as some personal fuck you to people who deleted them, chances are its either something to do with the deletion scripts struggling with private subs or the recent reddit instability has meant they restored some incremental backups or something.

The heading of the post is, and I quote

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

Maybe they minced words being non English as their first language.
I understand that, languages are tough.
That said, the fact that it isn't a hard line on that shit is enough for the majority of people to want another instance.

I'm not trying to have them closed. I'm not fronting a resistance to have people not go there. As far as I'm concerned its "legal" and whatever, but at the end of the day the majority of people are not only not interested, but disgusted by that.

Being real here, if I'm looking at nude content, as lots of us do, there is some stuff I don't want to see. Underaged content is on that list. I would safely assume that is on the list for many people.

The point of this thread is to warn other "normies" that the people running that instance are cool with this sort of thing, and ask if there is an alternative yet. lemmynsfw can and will do whatever they want. I'm fine with that, its not the point here. The point is warning others and asking for an alternative.

Hey, if you go out of your way to find dictionaries that support your world view of naked pictures of kids thats up to you bud, more power to ya

They were struggling with moderation, and a disproportionate number of people they were addressing were coming from those two instances, which happen to have open registration.

Not sure I agree or not, but thats what they said

Create a level ground then. Beehaw never said they are a level ground, they are an instance that doesnt want rightoids arguing in bad faith, the same way exploding heads wouldnt want an army of lefties coming in and injecting themselves into every thread.

A level ground where people of whatever affiliation can converse is a great idea. Beehaw doesnt have to be that place

My problem isn't with NSFW stuff being allowed on the fediverse. I think there is a place for it.

I just want it to be a place where I don't have to scroll past drawn pictures of naked kids.

Lemmynsfw can do whatever they want. They aren't going to be the place that the majority of people want to visit when it allows that shit though.

The point of this thread is to highlight that the server in question likely isn't the place most people who are looking for NSFW is looking for, and to find out if there are any other alternatives

Japanese culture can do what it wants.

I and the majority of other people just don't want to be browsing and come across pictures of naked kids.

Call me crazy, I know

I don't know how people can be arguing against a post that is literally titled

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content